Head Heeb has just the place for those looking for relief on school tax;
After Australia’s conservative government passed the Marriage Amendment Bill which prohibited Gay marriage, a group of Australian gays and lesbians set sail to the Coral Islands (on a ship called, inevitably, the Gayflower), planted the rainbow gay flag, and declared an independent state.
Let the puns begin!
*har* Anyone question how they plan on exceeding one generation in existence?
Collective deflated response from the Gayflower…”Damn.”
Most excellent, I wish to contribute to subsidizing this new country, with a couple of side qualifications:
Those who go, stay!
I don’t have to hear from them again.
IR, the phrase ‘turkey-baster’ comes to mind. We heterosexuals do not have a monopoly on ingenuity.
I see corporate contributions to one way tickets.
Now this is a sponsership scandle worth pursuing..
Sounds like an excellent replacement site for the UN.
Coral – pronounced “Queer-all”?
Off the coast of Queensland. Priceless.
Har har… why don’t those faggot queens get a life.
Quick, Todd, call the constabulary and report Kate for hate crimes! They already have a docket on her, you know!
Todd, one of the ironies here is that many of the people gays are struggling with today are your friends. It is also regrettably true that in the past there has been genuine hatred of gays.
However, over time these have become cliches with only a flavor and memory to keep them alive. Like the KKK, or the Southern Redneck Sheriff, or “Canadians are all lumberjacks and drive dog sleds,” it is possible to locate some of these specimens, but they have largely gone the way of fins on Cadillacs.
Today, your argument is with people who are in the post-civil rights era. Some of us have participated in efforts to extend rights and equalitity. (Many years ago in college, my wife marched in a gay rights parade.)
When you suggest by your post, “Har har… why don’t those faggot queens get a life,” you are mischaracterizing us, and we know it. Those days are gone.
You will notice that Kate’s first name on her Yanks Mostly list (I wish it were Yanks and Southerners) is Andrew Sullivan.
We’ve come a long way together over the decades, but we simply disagree in respect to a re-definition of marriage.
Those days have gone, have they? Hmm, not really from what I hear on the radio talk shows people talking about how we are disgusting or that we should have no rights. Not when I hear of bishops advocating the government use ‘coercive force’ to repress homosexuals. Not when I still hear about how we need to be cured.
Do you truly believe all the people who advocate against gay marriage do it simply because they want to preserve traditional marriage? Or do you just think there might be some active hatred out there?
Todd, you’re on record as admitting that you are as free as anyone else to marry, and you are treated exactly the same as anyone else who doesn’t get married. Could it be that your attempt to destroy the institution of marriage is motivated by hatred, since it has no evident practical motviation?
Why shouldn’t people hate you if you attack them, attempt to take away their right to vote and speak on policy, and threaten to use the power of the state to destroy their freedom of religion? Why shouldn’t they fight back?
Ah, right. Because that wouldn’t suit you. The only argument you’ve got.
Keep the discussion civil folks.
And Todd – I’ll be concerned about your perceptions about constitutes “hatred” when I see an equally sincere objection from you when it’s the fundamentalist Christian community, or western “rednecks” in the ridicule crosshairs.
By the way, did you condemn Scott Brison’s remarks after the last federal election?
Like the extremes in “gay pride” parades, when idiots act like idiots, you needn’t feel compelled to defend them – or identify with them, whether gay or straight.
Kate, I’ll make you a deal. I’ll stop calling you and your ilk “rednecks”, when you stop thinking it’s right to poke fun at gay people. Since that day will never come, I suggest we head out with our own agendas.
I don’t know. Maybe I don’t understand Kate’s sense of humour or the point of the post, but the “let the puns begin” tag at the end seemed to bring the post across the line from informative or even humourous to mean spirited.
I grant you that it does seem like a rather silly gesture, but just quote would probably have been enough.
Stuff like this makes radical gays unsatirizable.
I’m an equal opportunity blogger. If people choose to make idiots of themselves in the name of their sexual orientation, then ridicule I will. In case you haven’t been paying attention, “mean spirited” is a place I go from time to time.
Unless Todd was on the Gayflower – I really don’t know why he should take it personally. When Madonna or Courtney Love do something stupid, and are ridiculed for it, I don’t see anyone cry foul on behalf of the “heterosexual community”.
That’s one of the differences that I suspect many gays don’t fully appreciate. For the most part, heterosexuals don’t draw our personal core identity on the basis of our sexual orientation, or our sexuality _at all_.
(It may also explain why the entertainment industry is so much more tolerant and encouraging towards gays – sexuality is a large part of what they sell – and they do identify with it.)
In contrast, the gay community seems to be saying;
“I fuck, therefore I am”.
Before jumping all over me, cast your memory back to footage of the last Gay Pride parade televised…. do you see the Kiwanis clubs or Scottish Heritage Society dancing around in semi nudity, S&M paraphanelia making lewd gestures for the benefit of the parade spectators?
I realize it’s an extreme example, but I also base that on observation and association with a pretty significant number of gay friends and acquaintances. They talk about and refer to sex at a frequency that is astonishing.
Keep in mind that I also work in a male environment. I _never_ hear any of the men I know just as well from the hetero environment refer to “booty calls”, or sharing details of their sex lives the way my gay friends do.
That could be an explanation for the resistance you find to issues like “homosexual rights”. It’s a resistance to having our societal structures recalibrated in order to accomodate people who for whatever reason, place sex much, much higher on the ladder of importance than many of us think it deserves.
I dont’ think it’s a sexual orientation issue, perse for many of us. I think its’ a general discomfort with _sexual preoccupation_ that so often seems to go hand in hand with male homosexuality.
Right on Kate. We went from the state has no right in the bedroom to let it all hang out warts and all. aaaaaarrrrghhh.
Kate, I don’t intend to jump all over you. I love well-placed ribbing and pointing out when people are being silly. We can’t take ourselves to seriously. My comment was simply expressing my concern that this was not simply pointing out how idiotic something was, that saying “let the puns begin” was perhaps an invitation for everyone to gather ’round and point and laugh.
But you’re right: I haven’t been paying attention–I’ve only recently returned to SDA (I’m not sure why I went away). So it’s quite possible that I misunderstood.
I do understand what you are saying about sexual preoccupation.
That said, sexual preoccupation is not exactly an unexpected response from a person or group who feels they are marginalized because of their sexuality. (But I’m not an expert).
“That’s one of the differences that I suspect many gays don’t fully appreciate. For the most part, heterosexuals don’t draw our personal core identity on the basis of our sexual orientation, or our sexuality _at all_. ”
Really? Hmm, so you’ve never been to a straight bar then, have you? I thought they were known as ‘meat markets’.
And Kate, you may have gay ‘friends’, but you don’t really know them. You’ve already lumped us all in a basket and categorized us. I guess I’ll head down to my gay ghetto and shake my ass on a float while I’m taking crystal meth before I go to the bathhouse.
Signing off..
Todd
Your missing the point, your telling use that we have to allow your discrimination towards us for an issue that is against our religion.
Your group has been very aggressive in lobbying, and you now have the fur up on the masses because you refuse to accept that fact.
We couldn’t give a shit less what you do on your free time, and the more you push this issue, the deeper the hole you all are going to dig for yourself.
I don’t have gay friends, don’t want any, and that’s my right, and there’s not a damn thing you, or anyone else, can do about it. So in making that statement, the harder you pursue this, the more people, including myself, are going to recruite people to counter it.
Kate, I can tell you spend a lot of time driving in the prairies due to your well thought out responses.
Rob, excellent and right on! Elsie Wayne said it best a year or two ago when she said we don’t care what you people want to do, just don’t tell us about it! Go back into the closet!
That sums up my feelings quite well. Really! We don’t care! Quit shaking your ass on some parade float downtown. Quit trying to make your sexual preferences public and normal. I’ve got 5 kids and my wife and I put them into a private school precisely because we didn’t want the public school system to try and “normalize” homosexuality. You will NEVER get me to change my mind on that and you can NEVER force me to believe otherwise. This isn’t hatred. I don’t hate gays. I just don’t want their obsession with sex to be in front of me and my family all the time. Keep it in the closet instead of putting it out on parade.
I’d like to challenge the premise behind “gay rights” namely “we’re born that way”. Where’s the evidence? See http://www.trueorigin.org about the “gay gene myth”. Sexual preference takes shape in us through a multiplicity of factors. Think about this in light of pedophilia. How does this sexual preference happen? Do they need rights based on their sexual orientation?
I made my point. You think we all are out there fucking everything that moves, on top of floats naked and most likely shooting up. There’s hatred there, despite the protestations, but what really exists is this — ignorance.
I don’t really revile you. I pity you for your closed minds and your misunderstandings.
Todd, these discussions would be a lot more productive if you’d discipline yourself to replying to statements that were actually said.
It’s damned frustrating, you know – no one can present their views and legitimate observations without the usual over-the-top revision of what they have said, in order to set up a rebuttal based on “you’re just a bigot with a closed mind”.
My comments were not made on the basis of conjecture or television sitcoms – I wouldnt’ be surprised if I know more gay men than you do…
While we’re on the topic, what IS it about gay “pride” parades that leads participants to do what they do? What is your opinion of the “in your face” promiscuous exhibitionism?
From this end of the lens, the message that is being conveyed is “look at me, baby – we’re peacocks who fuck everything that moves, and we’re shoving it in your face because we know it offends you… oh and by the way, we want you to redefine marriage to suit this “lifestyle” we practice.”
When they get the reaction they’re going for, then they claim “discrimination”. Who can take that seriously?
You don’t like the stereotype? Direct your complaints to the people most responsible for perpetuating it.
At least Mardi Gras celebrants and Flames “Red Mile” partiers are often hosed out of their minds when they flash their breasts. They may even be embarrassed afterwards, if they remember — or when photos or videos of them show up on the infobahn.
I’m sure a psychologist somewhere is writing a paper on “gay pride parade syndrome” or “anomic immorality” to explain the phenomenon based on group dynamics, etc.
I came up with this theory on my own , but know someone has probably written a book on it somewhere.
It’s called “Natural Revulsion Through Natural Selection”
Guys generally get along better with guys and likewise women with women.
If it was’nt for the natural urge we get to have sex with the opposite sex I think men would habitate with men and likewise women.
Not only is it natural for most of us to be attracted to the opposite sex it is also natural for us to be revulsed with the idea of having sex with our own gender.
Some people are born naturally with a different attraction and revulsion que.(Either gay or straight)
I take that as a given!
The revulsion of intergender sex naturally must occur in any species or homosexuallity would be learned by every single teen who ever got dumped by the opposite sex and went back to hangin with there chums and the species would quickly extinct itself.
It’s this natural revulsion factor that gays refuse to acknowledge and PC thinkers can’t ever admit.
So when naked fully shaved men walk down yonge street wearing leather hats screwing up traffic ,burning tax dollars,and literally rammin it down our throaats .
Guess what, we’re revulsed !
Kate wrote:
“I don’t think it’s a sexual orientation issue, per se for many of us. I think it’s a general discomfort with _sexual preoccupation_ that so often seems to go hand in hand with male homosexuality.”
Kate, what common characteristic OTHER than their sexual behaviours can the gay community put forward to advance their agenda? Given the wide variety of subsets we are led to understand exists within said community, isn’t sex, at the end of the day, the only thing that CAN define them as a community?
Furthermore, I suspect any attempt by the rest of us to describe the gay community in some way that DOESN’T reference their sexual proclivities will give rise to a cacophony of protests (Todd, are you out there?)
Try it and see: “gays deserve special rights because it’s a step toward reversing historical societal animosity against them because of their inclination toward…(insert non-sexual characteristic here, i.e. flower arranging/hairdressing/fashion designing/ballet dancing/staying at the “Y”/etc).
Put another way, what other universal “gay” characteristic would it be possible to reference that won’t result in cries from the likes of Todd of “stereotyping”, “ignorance”, “homophobia”.
Some gay rights zealots are fond of comparing the plight of gays to that of blacks who also constitute a wide ranging, diverse community of people with essentially one defining characteristic. To said zealots I say if you want to stick with the “blacks” analogy, please tell us all what we’re to regard as the gay communities’ equivalent of “skin colour”. And then explain to us why we should be entrenching “engagement in anal sex” in the constitution.
(Sorry for the increased Google hits this post is likely to produce, Kate).
Kate…
“That’s one of the differences that I suspect many gays don’t fully appreciate. For the most part, heterosexuals don’t draw our personal core identity on the basis of our sexual orientation, or our sexuality _at all_. ”
Really? You still haven’t answered my question. Have you ever gone to a hetero bar? Have you ever seen a couple kissing or holding hands? Have you never had a discussion with another woman about how such and such a guy is hot? Where did you grow up in, a convent? Heterosexuality is all around us, all the time, 24/7. From all the complaints about gay pride parades, you’d assume that Heterosexuality is an endangered species.
Why the spectacle of gay pride parades? I don’t really know. I’m guessing it’s the idea of getting a group of people to go out and try to show the world they’re proud of themselves. And if you look closely, not everyone in a gay pride parade is naked. There are extremes in everything — you just focus on them. Gay pride parades also happen once a year. Like everything else, if you don’t like them, don’t watch them. Do like you do with the CBC and simply turn the channel off.
What defines our community? I’d say we really don’t have one. Our community is defined as people who love and have sex with their own gender. After that, these people are the same as everyone else. We have different jobs (we’re not all hairdressers, waiters and actors), we live in different places, we have different interests, etc. If you know so many gay people and have so many gay ‘friends’, what are you doing going out and seeing them flaunt around on their parades so much?
Anyway, I’m truly done discussing this. 🙂 It’s been interesting to learn the different viewpoints. I do know that I get carried away and it’s hard for me to always be rational. But it’s hard not to take offense when someone says “I don’t have gay friends, don’t want any, and that’s my right, and there’s not a damn thing you, or anyone else, can do about it.” I’m truly a good person and I really do care about other people. Why would my being gay make someone not to be friends with me? It just boggles my mind that this attitude still exists in today’s society.
I think things have gotten a lot better and they will continue to. My parents and my sister had views that being gay meant a promiscuous lifestyle and doing drugs, etc. etc. because that’s all they ever saw on the TV. When they learned that I was still the same person I had always been and that I was in a long-term relationship, gradually their views changed. I think the more visible gay people become in their community and by just being themselves, these stereotypes will continue to evolve.
Thanks for not sending out a police car for my ‘disturbing the peace’ by writing all these comments down. I now return you to your regularly scheduled conservative show. 😉
Thanks for not sending out a police car for my ‘disturbing the peace’ by writing all these comments down.
= Over the top revision to argue “What a bunch of perfect beasts we are”
Todd no one cares that your’e gay except you!
Umm, no. It was acknowledgement that this is a conservative blog and nothing else.
Throw Irwin Cotler and Paul Martin on the gayflower.
Todd
Stop making yourself out to being the victim here, when it is your side who are the aggressors and choose to launch an attack on a piece of the moral fabric for which society was built on. I won�t allow you to get away with it.
Your side could have simply choose another term for your civil union, it probably would have been accepted, and people would have moved on. Instead your group has been launching continues attacks and expects everyone in society to bow and bend to your requests.
I am only required, by law, to be tolerant to your group, again you are the aggressor, you and your group do not, at this point in history, deserve my friendship or respect due to the nature of your attack. Friendship and respect have to be earned and not given.
As long as you and your group continue this assault, a lot of us, probably the majority will continue to resist.
Sorry Kate, but I couldn�t let him make himself out to be the victim, when he�s NOT.
LOL. Whatever Rob.
A timely contribution to the debate from Saturday’s Globe and Mail:
People like Mrs.Qiong are at the heart of Conservative Leader Stephen Harper’s strategy of gaining support from traditional Liberal voters by enlisting ethnic communities to fight the federal government’s same-sex legislation.
this soft-spoken 57-year-old shopkeeper,….suggests that those who would make such mockery of a sacred institution …….. be tied in bamboo cages and drowned in the river.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050211.wsamesex12/BNStory/National/