A letter from L. Earle Wicklum to Paul Martin. Click for full size version
86 Replies to “From An Old Family Friend”
Yes, Kate. Sorry for quoting from that obscene blog at The Western Standard. They should really start banning people there, to avoid having all that smut, and all those buckets of commie propaganda.
P.S. Slackers, get back to work! You’re not getting paid to trawl around these kind of obseesive compulsive weblogs!
It is a bit strange to see “conservative” journals promoting the Marxist line though.
From THE MANIFESTO (does it have anything to do with Canada today? Hmmm… Let’s see!):
“Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalized system of free love.” – K.M.
“Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a socialist tinge.” – K.M.
“The charges against communism made from a religious, a philosophical and, generally, from an ideological standpoint, are not deserving of serious examination.” – K.M.
“The communist revolution is the most radical rupture with traditional relations; no wonder that its development involved the most radical rupture with traditional ideas. But let us have done with the bourgeois objections to communism.” – K.M.
“CONSERVATIVE OR BOURGEOIS SOCIALISM [Red Tories?] — A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society. To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organizers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind.” – K.M.
“The Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things. … They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.” – K.M.
Aaaah, if only Marx were alive to see the Canadian Parliament vote on Bill C-38!
In the undying words of Friedrich Engels, “If only Marx were still by my side to see this with his own eyes!”
But no. Excuse me. Let us move on to “more important things” than the bedrock of all human society.
“This guy must be obsessive compulsive! Why such a fuss about people getting married? It’s not like it’s important or anything.”
I’m afraid I don’t see what point the Brian guy is trying to make, if any.
And, Brian, I only read and comment in the blogosphere on my own free time. Never at work. Don’t wanna commit economic suicide, unlike Commies!
Also, good to see Barbara is back after all. It’s fun to abuse lefties! 🙂
On second thought, scratch the word “abuse”. Poor choice of a word. I meant more along the lines of “tease” and “annoy”. I would not intentionally stoop to the level of most lefties, who I’m sure many of you around here agree can sometimes be quite abusive towards those of us who dare not toe the Librano line.
I’m grateful to Kate for providing us free-thinkers with a forum wherein we can discuss important matters freely without being abused by the state. My hat’s off to you, Kate!
Has WS gone to the dogs?
Have the dogs gone to WS?
Shotgun has been drivellized to the point of incoherence.
What gives, EP?
Drivellized; blathering, narcissism & not worth reading any longer. Clean it up, EP.
Stephen McAllister,
There’s no fun in making allusions and suggesting trains of thought when people insist on being spoon-fed and hit on the head with metaphorical hammers!
You don’t see the point?
Original post: opposition to queer marriage, from old Liberal friend of Martin Sr. Appeals to morality and tradition.
Contrast: many “conservatives” now arguing “queer marriage? big deal? what about the crow rate? move on, move on.”
Flashback: Marx. Manifesto. Their God. Laid the groundwork. Built the frame.
“What the Communists…desire to introduce…an openly legalized system of free love.
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“Christian asceticism…socialist tinge.
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“religious…philosophical…ideological…not deserving of serious examination.
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“communist revolution…most radical rupture with traditional relations…
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“Conservative…Socialism…philanthropists, humanitarians…prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics…
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“Communists…support every revolutionary movement against the existing social…order…”
What else do you need explicated? I don’t get your not getting it. It’s not brain surgery, man!
Repeat: Engels: “If only Marx were still by my side to see this [C-38] with his own eyes!”
C’mon people! Try harder.
Re: Drop in murder rate vs. gun control laws.
See
“New York�s murder rate at lowest for over 40 years” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1671741,00.html
Apparently, the murder rate is way down in New York city, too. In this article, it is directly attributed to more intensive policy strategy and flooding high impact areas with police. Perhaps the money we spent on the Gun Registry might have been spent on iniatives such as this to produce a real and demonstrable drop in crime. Clearly, it is possible and workable. If it works in New York City, why wouldn’t it work here?
The simple act of creating a law only works to change the behaviour of law abiding citizens. Law enforcement is required to impact the behaviour of the remainder of the population.
OK, let’s try “more intense policing strategy”
Darn fingers!
WWI and European society according to Ezra the Scribe:
“There died a myriad,
And of the best, among them,
For an old bitch gone in the teeth,
For a botched civilization…”
Ezra Pound, fascist.
Canada: a botched country; gone in the teeth; aged before its time; a botched country.
A message just sent to Mr Ibbitson of the Globe:
‘True Intolerance
Dear Mr Ibbitson,
In your Globe article “So much political blood shed over this vote”, June 29, you write:
“Healthy conservatism…does not, or should not, assert the right of white, Christian heterosexual males of a certain age to limit the rights of everyone else. The past 100 years of social history has been dedicated, on good days, to constraining the dominance of this minority…And congratulate yourself [reader]. You are part of the most diverse, tolerant and open-minded place on Earth.”
Since it was that minority that has controlled politics and Parliament for the last century, it follows that the minority in fact constrained itself and actually expanded the rights of everyone else. For that reality you should have been congratulating these people instead of presenting them as ogres to be feared and loathed.
I would also remind you that it was the Conservative government of Sir Robert Borden that gave the franchise to women in Canada, and that it was John Diefenbaker’s Progressive Conservatives who enacted the Bill of Rights. It was Brian Mulroney’s government that took a very strong lead in opposing apartheid in South Africa.
The first Chinese-Canadian MP (1957) was Douglas Jung, a Progressive Conservative–“he vowed not to join the Liberal Party of Canada because of its racist legislation against Chinese in the past”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dou…ki/ Douglas_Jung
And the present group of Conservative MPs includes substantial number of women and non-whites.
It is you who are intolerant and close-minded.
Regards,
Mark Collins
Ottawa’
anselm:
I don’t have to prove ANYTHING to you about just how Roman Catholic I am. For you to even question that is rude, disrepectful, and un-Christian. I’m a proud, young (under 25) Roman Catholic — and sad for the aging minority, but most of us don’t care if two men or two women want to get married. It’s not like the people of our parents generation have treated the sanctity of marriage with any respect in trying to ‘make it work’ (hello! A 50% divorce rate?!?)
The Jesus I was taught about in Sunday School (and at the Catholic High School I attended) was one who was caring, forgiving, and tolerant. Sure, he did not say ‘keep on sinning’ but he also was not judgemental (oh how oh how could he let a prostitute like Mary Magdeline pour oil on his feet?!)
At the end of the day, what this is about more than anything is those who remember crew cuts, brillo cream, and horn rimmed glasses longing for the days gone by when children said ‘sir’ and ‘ma’am’, and we just didn’t talk about all this ‘icky’ stuff in public.
Reality check folks. This is the way the world rolls now. Either get on board, or get rolled over.
Alberta has a move against SSM, announced on the local news this A.M..
Ted Morton – “Alberta may get out of the marriage business all togethor. It will be up to the CHURCHES to marry people.”
eyes’s screed is socialist/communist triumphalism.
All the cliches are there. The future is theirs, it says. We, communists, are the vanguard of the socialist future, it trumpets.
Get out of our road, it bugles. Get out of our road, said Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot/Mao/Castro/Trudeau , and all the rest of the murderous tyrants. They murdered millions of humans in their insane nihilism.
There is a problem, however; it is implicit in eyes’s anxieties: in the road stands a conservative. For the futurists/socialists,
the lone voice of the conservative is the enemy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Couldn’t be any more wrong, maz2…
I consider myself to be of a conservative lean… yes, you can be of a conservative lean and have nothing wrong with SSM.
For the record – “Saint Tommy”? Give me a break.
My only creed is that of Gen Y… I don’t owe you any respect… I am a ‘me-firster’… What have you done for me lately? And questioning authority — from government to religion — is just what my age group does. Get used to it. In a decade, we’ll be the ones in control.
It takes some time to read through all this give and take. Time well spent and very entertaining.
The MSM takes time to read also, but it can give you the taste of just so much fluff at times.
Nothing beats point – counterpoint debate like you get here.
Lotsa great comments here, but about 1/3 down from the top StephenMichaud WW2 guy in Parksville makes some constructive suggestions.
Why don’t we get off our collective asses and do something? Why not go to Ottawa and march around Rideau Hall and Parliament hill with placards reading, *Out with Fraud*, *Out with Vote Buyers*, *4.6 Billion Not debated*, *NDP not Elected*.
I can’t get away just now. I would do that for a time if I could.
It amazes me that no one, [it will probably take WW2 vets], in Ottawa is demonstrating.
If you live in Ottawa and you are reading this, maybe you could comment why you could not walk about the hill for an hour or two. It’s good exercise.
If you do choose to walk in front of Rideau Hall say, be sure to bring along some printouts exposing Liberals faults or the Gov. General letter from BendGovernment.blogspot.com
Canadians have marched to save the Stickleback Minnow. Why are there no anti-liberal demonstrations now?
Anyone in Ottawa, or Arnprior, or Gatineau, or Hull,or Brockvill, or SmithsFalls, or Merrickville? Hello? hello? 73s TG
Rolling’your’eyes,
I suppose the teachings of Jesus, the Pope, and the teachings of the Church you claim to attend mean nothing?
Instead of rolling your eyes, use them to see the words of Jesus.
I will not get on board the wagon of convenience. I prefer the road less travelled than the smooth trail of hopelessness and decay.
So you are a ROMAN Catholic? Funny, you sound like an Anglican. Learn, young man. You sound as rude, disrespecful and un-Christian as you judged me to be.
God bless.
An Irish Catholic.
Anselm, you are Roman Catholic? You seem like a right wing southern evangelical. I, too am Roman Catholic and have attended Catholic elementary and high school and I have no problem with SSM. Your thinking on this topic is irrelevant to most Cdns.
It is very, very difficult to restrain oneself when faced with the kind of blatant bestial ignorance of a “rolling-my-eyes.” I suspect that people like him are sent by Satan to tempt us.
Jesus was not judgemental?
Is there some evidence of that?
He said to ONE of the thieves, “Today you will be with Me in paradise.”
“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.”
“I will send Him [the Holy Spirit] to you. And when he has come, he will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement: of sin, because they do not believe in Me … of judgement, because the ruler of this world is judged.”
“Whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.”
“It will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgement than for you [Chorazin and Bethsaida].”
Where did “rolling-my-eyes” learn that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute?
Where did “rolling-my-eyes” learn that she poured oil on his feet?
Was the woman at the house of Simon the leper a prostitute? Who told “rolling-my-eyes” that? Satan?
Is “rolling-my-eyes” trying to argue that his teachers were fools or that he is unteachable?
“Cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
“Rolling-my-eyes” says that he is proud?
“The sin of pride is the sin of sins. It was this sin which transformed Lucifer, the very “seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty,” into Satan, the devil, the father of lies, the one for whom Hell itself was created.”
Saint Augustine: ” ‘Pride is the commencement of all sin’ because it was this which overthrew the devil, from whom arose the origin of sin; and afterwards, when his malice and envy pursued man, who was yet standing in his uprightness, it subverted him in the same way in which he himself fell. For the serpent, in fact, only sought for the door of pride whereby to enter when he said, ‘Ye shall be as gods.’ ”
“Rolling-my-eyes” says that he is a Roman Catholic?
Is he really unaware of the teachings of his Bishops, guided by the Holy Spirit:
“Homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. … Under no circumstance can they be approved. … Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman.”
– Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, Sections 2357-2360
“Rolling-my-eyes” is either a fool or a liar.
Looks like Canada is getting some good international press:
From the BBC:
The legislation puts Canada on a quite different course to its powerful neighbour to the south.
In the US, President George W Bush is seeking a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as being between a man and a woman.
Hundreds of foreigners, including Americans and Israelis, have gone to Canada for civil unions since gay marriage was first allowed in some provinces in 2003.
From the Washington Post:
But unlike in the United States, where some legislators and President Bush have actively opposed same-sex marriage, the Canadian Parliament acted to establish a uniform national law. Despite opposition from church leaders and politicians in several provinces, the move is supported by a majority of the Canadian public, in what gay rights advocates say has been a relatively swift turnabout of opinion over a period of several years.
From Reuters:
Some Liberal lawmakers admit they fear a voter backlash at the next federal election, expected early next year. Conservative leader Stephen Harper says opposing gay marriage will form a major part of his election platform.
But Harper’s stance could also be risky. The Liberals won elections in 2000 and 2004 in part because they portrayed their right-wing rivals as extremists who would hack away at civil rights if elected.
I would prefer that Harper drop the stubborn streak where SSM is concearned.
Bill C-38 is history and thank heaven for that. It only affects [ 1%] one percent of Canadians.
Now on to the business of rescuing Canada from the swamp of Libscammer corruption.
Item one will be the enactment of Bill-C-11. The Whistle-Blower Protections Act that will protect 100% of Canadians from a wide variety of revenues thefts and rip-offs.
Check at BendGovt.blog.ca
You will be surprised at the scope and value of Whistle-Blower law.
Check the tricks and stealth used against the Bill in the US at nswbc.org
WB law is also in the pipe for the United Nations. WB Law, Important? You Bet!
If this law had been effective twelve years ago. Adscam would have been nipped in the bud, when Allan Coulter whistled about fake contracts he refused to sign in Guite’s office back then.
We lost hundreds of millions of revenue dollars simply because effective WB law was not in place. 73s TG
“It only affects [ 1%] one percent of Canadians.”
My nomination for Most Naive Statement of the Day.
Hank,
Thank you for the compliment. I like southerners and most Americans. Honest, hardworking and sincere, you can’t find better neighbours in the world.
oh, canada…
Kate has an interesting letter to the prime minister……
Re: “I would prefer that Harper drop the stubborn streak where SSM is concearned.”
Stubborn? Are you joking?
“Here’s CPC “Justice” “critic” Vic Toews’ limp-d*&%#d “defence of marriage”: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/feb/05020112.html
Toews stated, �The Conservative party will be proposing amendments to provide clear recognition of the traditional definition of marriage�, but then continued that they would also, �provide full recognition of same-sex relationships as possessing equal rights and privileges.�
The Conservative leadership seems to have completely rejected warnings by some pro-marriage leaders that marriage would be further devastated and Canadians robbed of religious freedom and conscience rights whether homosexual couples are given marriage rights under the word �marriage�, �civil unions� or any other terminology.
Boston’s Archbishop Sean O’Malley stated last year on behalf of the Massachusetts bishops, “We are concerned with proposals to give same-sex couples identical benefits and protections to those given to husbands and wives that pose a grave threat to religious liberty and the freedom of conscience.” Robert Knight of the US Culture and Family Institute wrote last year, “Civil unions are a Trojan horse for gay marriage � and more. They are just gay marriage by another name.”
A reporter asked Conservative Party critic Toews, �I hear you saying you want to extend all the rights, benefit, obligations of marriage to same-sex couples, except the right to use the word marriage, is that correct?
�That�s essentially the point�, replied Toews, on behalf of his party.
– Oh Yay-Frickin’-Hoo! Such Fortitude!
Well, Brian O’Neill, I do appreciate that you’re trying to have fun trying to get us to think a little more by giving us stuff from the Communist Manifesto, etc. to make your point in an artsy-fartsy way. You can give it. Good.
But, you see, sir, not everyone is possessed of the same, how shall I put it, mindset, ie. it seems we’re operating on different brainwave frequencies or something like that.
What I mean is it’s all about communication, my good man. It’s good to minimize the chance of ambiguity and misunderstanding. In my experience, it helps to say what you mean in addition to the fancy stuff (nothing wrong with that, of course). Don’t leave us guessing. Our interpretation will NOT necessarily be what you intended. Yup, even a brain surgeon may indeed get a different impression of what you’re trying to say.
My interpretation is that you want people to “move on” from the SSM civil war to what you think are more important issues. Well, I would have agreed until last night. I have nothing at all against people having whatever private life they want in their own homes, but C-38 is dangerous. Liberalized divorce laws have been very harmful to society, I have seen. All kinds of well-intentioned liberalizations by lefties over the past so many decades have caused many problems for Canada. Traditional marriage is PROVEN over the entire history of humanity across the planet to be beneficial. What little experience there has been with SSM has NOT been beneficial to society as a whole. I remember reading a report on how it has affected the Netherlands. Forget where I read the report, but if I recall correctly, STRAIGHT people actually are TURNING AWAY FROM MARRIAGE as a consequence of the redefinition. It is no longer something that makes male/female couples feel special. If that is not a scary, dangerous consequence of such extreme social reengineering for you, then, man, I’m afraid you got a problem. Think about that. Cause/effect etc. etc. Got that?
Stephen McAllister,
Your reading is bizarre.
Of course I was pointing out that this insanity about Queer “Marriage” and other trendy, arrogant social-engineering schemes are exactly the kind of social-mind*4#@s advocated by Marx in the Communist Manifesto.
In future I’ll be sure to add diagrams and asterixes highlighting KEY CONCEPTS and MAIN POINTS and keep my comments to one-syllable words where possible.
To wit,
MARX: BAD
LIB-ER-ALS: BAD
RED TOR-IES: BAD
MARX-ISM: GLIB-ER-AL-ISM: RED TOR-Y-ISM
COMM-UN-IST MAN-I-FES-TO: QUEER MARR-IAGE: SA-TAN-IC IN-SAN-I-TY: E-VIL: UN-CLEAN
Capiche?
OT
Brian I take it that you have been banned from the Shotgun.
Too bad the place is going to hell in a handbasket, they could use your insight over there
Okay, that’s better.
But, Brian, as I said before, if you’re not going to be clear in the first place, we will probably misinterpret the stuff you post.
Looks like you had a few points: those things are bad. Well, I agree on all of them. Verrrry bad things indeed. Duuh. Youse is so smart. Me is so… what? Not smart, I figger.
Now, wasn’t that a funny exchange? 🙂
Seriously, though, Brian, your point is now perfectly clear. The bloody book by the bloody Marx bastard seems to have foreshadowed all the ridiculous lefty nonsense being forced down the throats of Canadians these days.
Perhaps Mein Kampf would have some similar nonsense in it.
Haven’t read either, and never will. No need. Already saw the consequences recorded by history.
A reading of Mein Kampf would be more relevant for an understanding of Trudeau, Chretien, and Martin’s great friends in Red Fascist China.
Maz2 you are a delight. No I will not look. The reason being Bill C-38 has passed and after all, it only applies to say 1% or 2%
of Canadians. No point flogging a dead horse when it applies to so few.
Now Bill C-11, Whistle Blower Protection law applies to 100% of Canadians and it is also underway in the USA and up for consideration for the UN.
Why is it so important? http://www.nswbc.org says it all. 73s TG
Bill C-11 “Whistle Blower Protection law” is a scam
Don’t be scammed by all this nonsensical chatter about other issues/legislation being “more important” than the legal killing of innocent human being and disasterous social engineering.
Taxes. C-11. Aid for Africa. Military copters. All of these problems can be corrected by a good governmenmt, or will continue to plague us as long as we have a bad government.
e.g.
1993: Glibs promise am ethics commissioner. They don’t keep promise. Harold Wilson was Chretien’s lap-dog. Martin says he’ll change things. Now we have Shapiro, who is an incompetent joke, and just there to provide cover for government corruption. Plus ca change . . .
Meanwhile, Slasher Morgenthaler’s victims are dead forever, and he and his ilk are still free to slash away.
And we’ll probably have government-sanctioned queer “marriage” very soon, and we’ll have it for as long as Canada continues to limp along.
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Here’s a comment on C-11 from the Catholic Women’s League:
“‘Whistle Blower Bill’ — The Hon. Reg Alcock, President of the Treasury Board, had a heated exchange with irate MPs concerning Bill C-11 An Act to establish a procedure for the disclosure of wrongdoings in the public sector, including the protection of persons who disclose the wrongdoings, which is being referred to as the ‘Whistle Blower Bill.’ Some members feel that the Bill, as it stands, is STRUCTURED MORE TO HIDE CORRUPTION than to protect the rights of the ‘whistle blower.’ (This is one bill we should be watching.)”
Here’s a letter from the Canadian Environmental Committee [I believe they got it via Democracy Watch] to the Government Operations and Estimates Committee:
“Bill C-11 will not create effective, comprehensive protection for anyone who reports wrongdoing. In fact, Bill C-11 is designed mainly to hide wrongdoing from the public and to discourage whistleblowers.
“Please change Bill C-11 in the following six key ways to ensure that anyone in Canada who reports wrongdoing will be protected from harm, and the public will be fully informed about wrongdoing across Canada:
“1. Anyone (not just bureaucrats) who reports wrongdoing by anyone (not just by some people in some government institutions) must be protected from harm;
“2. Everyone must have the right to report wrongdoing anonymously and directly to an independent whistleblower watchdog agency (without having to identify themselves or complain first to their bosses);
“3. The proposal to have the Public Service Commission (PSC) act as the watchdog office must be changed because the PSC is not independent of the federal government (instead, the new Ethics Commissioner office should be the whistleblower watchdog agency, but to be fully independent the Ethics Commissioner must be approved by the opposition party leaders, not chosen only by the Prime Minister);
“4. The whistleblower protection agency must be required to report the number and topic of ongoing investigations, and to report publicly the results of any investigation (including the identities of all wrongdoers);
“5. The whistleblower watchdog agency’s powers must be increased to include the power to penalize the wrongdoers, to order a clean-up of the wrongdoing, and to penalize anyone who resists or delays cleaning up the wrongdoing, and;
“6. Everyone must have a clear right to appeal the rulings of the watchdog agency to court.” http://www.cen-rce.org/eng/action_alerts/05_01_ethical_fed_%20gov.html
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And from last week’s news:
“According to critics like Duff Conacher of Democracy Watch — it’s probably a good thing that Bill C-11 may not pass. He says it’s a deeply flawed piece of legislation.
“Bill C-11 is a completely ineffective system and hopefully with this minority government situation we’ll see the opposition parties push and we’ll get an effective system passed before the next election,” says Conacher.
Conacher says Canada needs an independent office, reporting directly to Parliament, to oversee Whistleblower protection. And he says that protection should go beyond public servants and be extended to private sector employees who report corporate wrong-doing.
“No one should be surprised to see scandalous behavior continuing in the federal government because it is effectively legal to act in corrupt, unethical ways,” says Conacher. “There is no effective legislation anywhere in this country.” http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1119655724397_20?hub=TopStories
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Maz2, I wuz jest pushin yer buttons there. Of course I went and looked over AutonomousSource.com and it’s a great site…. photos and all. Very enjoyable.
BrianO’neill, You are correct sir. Bill C-11 is very much a scam, [in it’s present form]. It will be amended debated and made effective.
Once C-11 is properly fleshed out, it will be the one of the most money saving [read conservative], bills of legislation on the books.
I couldn’t be any more delighted with the discussion here. Once people begin looking into the wide scope of WB Protection law the more it will be realized as the worthwhile cause that it is.
Governments in both Canada and the US hate it because it holds their feet to the flame, but it will be worth fighting for.
73s TG
Since when is “money-saving” synonomous with “conservative”?
So killing everyone at age 65 would be conservative?
Yes, Kate. Sorry for quoting from that obscene blog at The Western Standard. They should really start banning people there, to avoid having all that smut, and all those buckets of commie propaganda.
P.S. Slackers, get back to work! You’re not getting paid to trawl around these kind of obseesive compulsive weblogs!
It is a bit strange to see “conservative” journals promoting the Marxist line though.
From THE MANIFESTO (does it have anything to do with Canada today? Hmmm… Let’s see!):
“Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalized system of free love.” – K.M.
“Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a socialist tinge.” – K.M.
“The charges against communism made from a religious, a philosophical and, generally, from an ideological standpoint, are not deserving of serious examination.” – K.M.
“The communist revolution is the most radical rupture with traditional relations; no wonder that its development involved the most radical rupture with traditional ideas. But let us have done with the bourgeois objections to communism.” – K.M.
“CONSERVATIVE OR BOURGEOIS SOCIALISM [Red Tories?] — A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society. To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organizers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind.” – K.M.
“The Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things. … They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.” – K.M.
Aaaah, if only Marx were alive to see the Canadian Parliament vote on Bill C-38!
In the undying words of Friedrich Engels, “If only Marx were still by my side to see this with his own eyes!”
But no. Excuse me. Let us move on to “more important things” than the bedrock of all human society.
“This guy must be obsessive compulsive! Why such a fuss about people getting married? It’s not like it’s important or anything.”
I’m afraid I don’t see what point the Brian guy is trying to make, if any.
And, Brian, I only read and comment in the blogosphere on my own free time. Never at work. Don’t wanna commit economic suicide, unlike Commies!
Also, good to see Barbara is back after all. It’s fun to abuse lefties! 🙂
On second thought, scratch the word “abuse”. Poor choice of a word. I meant more along the lines of “tease” and “annoy”. I would not intentionally stoop to the level of most lefties, who I’m sure many of you around here agree can sometimes be quite abusive towards those of us who dare not toe the Librano line.
I’m grateful to Kate for providing us free-thinkers with a forum wherein we can discuss important matters freely without being abused by the state. My hat’s off to you, Kate!
Has WS gone to the dogs?
Have the dogs gone to WS?
Shotgun has been drivellized to the point of incoherence.
What gives, EP?
Drivellized; blathering, narcissism & not worth reading any longer. Clean it up, EP.
Stephen McAllister,
There’s no fun in making allusions and suggesting trains of thought when people insist on being spoon-fed and hit on the head with metaphorical hammers!
You don’t see the point?
Original post: opposition to queer marriage, from old Liberal friend of Martin Sr. Appeals to morality and tradition.
Contrast: many “conservatives” now arguing “queer marriage? big deal? what about the crow rate? move on, move on.”
Flashback: Marx. Manifesto. Their God. Laid the groundwork. Built the frame.
“What the Communists…desire to introduce…an openly legalized system of free love.
…
“Christian asceticism…socialist tinge.
…
“religious…philosophical…ideological…not deserving of serious examination.
…
“communist revolution…most radical rupture with traditional relations…
…
“Conservative…Socialism…philanthropists, humanitarians…prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics…
…
“Communists…support every revolutionary movement against the existing social…order…”
What else do you need explicated? I don’t get your not getting it. It’s not brain surgery, man!
Repeat: Engels: “If only Marx were still by my side to see this [C-38] with his own eyes!”
C’mon people! Try harder.
Re: Drop in murder rate vs. gun control laws.
See
“New York�s murder rate at lowest for over 40 years”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1671741,00.html
Apparently, the murder rate is way down in New York city, too. In this article, it is directly attributed to more intensive policy strategy and flooding high impact areas with police. Perhaps the money we spent on the Gun Registry might have been spent on iniatives such as this to produce a real and demonstrable drop in crime. Clearly, it is possible and workable. If it works in New York City, why wouldn’t it work here?
The simple act of creating a law only works to change the behaviour of law abiding citizens. Law enforcement is required to impact the behaviour of the remainder of the population.
OK, let’s try “more intense policing strategy”
Darn fingers!
WWI and European society according to Ezra the Scribe:
“There died a myriad,
And of the best, among them,
For an old bitch gone in the teeth,
For a botched civilization…”
Ezra Pound, fascist.
Canada: a botched country; gone in the teeth; aged before its time; a botched country.
A message just sent to Mr Ibbitson of the Globe:
‘True Intolerance
Dear Mr Ibbitson,
In your Globe article “So much political blood shed over this vote”, June 29, you write:
“Healthy conservatism…does not, or should not, assert the right of white, Christian heterosexual males of a certain age to limit the rights of everyone else. The past 100 years of social history has been dedicated, on good days, to constraining the dominance of this minority…And congratulate yourself [reader]. You are part of the most diverse, tolerant and open-minded place on Earth.”
Since it was that minority that has controlled politics and Parliament for the last century, it follows that the minority in fact constrained itself and actually expanded the rights of everyone else. For that reality you should have been congratulating these people instead of presenting them as ogres to be feared and loathed.
I would also remind you that it was the Conservative government of Sir Robert Borden that gave the franchise to women in Canada, and that it was John Diefenbaker’s Progressive Conservatives who enacted the Bill of Rights. It was Brian Mulroney’s government that took a very strong lead in opposing apartheid in South Africa.
The first Chinese-Canadian MP (1957) was Douglas Jung, a Progressive Conservative–“he vowed not to join the Liberal Party of Canada because of its racist legislation against Chinese in the past”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dou…ki/ Douglas_Jung
And the present group of Conservative MPs includes substantial number of women and non-whites.
It is you who are intolerant and close-minded.
Regards,
Mark Collins
Ottawa’
anselm:
I don’t have to prove ANYTHING to you about just how Roman Catholic I am. For you to even question that is rude, disrepectful, and un-Christian. I’m a proud, young (under 25) Roman Catholic — and sad for the aging minority, but most of us don’t care if two men or two women want to get married. It’s not like the people of our parents generation have treated the sanctity of marriage with any respect in trying to ‘make it work’ (hello! A 50% divorce rate?!?)
The Jesus I was taught about in Sunday School (and at the Catholic High School I attended) was one who was caring, forgiving, and tolerant. Sure, he did not say ‘keep on sinning’ but he also was not judgemental (oh how oh how could he let a prostitute like Mary Magdeline pour oil on his feet?!)
At the end of the day, what this is about more than anything is those who remember crew cuts, brillo cream, and horn rimmed glasses longing for the days gone by when children said ‘sir’ and ‘ma’am’, and we just didn’t talk about all this ‘icky’ stuff in public.
Reality check folks. This is the way the world rolls now. Either get on board, or get rolled over.
Alberta has a move against SSM, announced on the local news this A.M..
Ted Morton – “Alberta may get out of the marriage business all togethor. It will be up to the CHURCHES to marry people.”
eyes’s screed is socialist/communist triumphalism.
All the cliches are there. The future is theirs, it says. We, communists, are the vanguard of the socialist future, it trumpets.
Get out of our road, it bugles. Get out of our road, said Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot/Mao/Castro/Trudeau , and all the rest of the murderous tyrants. They murdered millions of humans in their insane nihilism.
There is a problem, however; it is implicit in eyes’s anxieties: in the road stands a conservative. For the futurists/socialists,
the lone voice of the conservative is the enemy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Couldn’t be any more wrong, maz2…
I consider myself to be of a conservative lean… yes, you can be of a conservative lean and have nothing wrong with SSM.
For the record – “Saint Tommy”? Give me a break.
My only creed is that of Gen Y… I don’t owe you any respect… I am a ‘me-firster’… What have you done for me lately? And questioning authority — from government to religion — is just what my age group does. Get used to it. In a decade, we’ll be the ones in control.
It takes some time to read through all this give and take. Time well spent and very entertaining.
The MSM takes time to read also, but it can give you the taste of just so much fluff at times.
Nothing beats point – counterpoint debate like you get here.
Lotsa great comments here, but about 1/3 down from the top StephenMichaud WW2 guy in Parksville makes some constructive suggestions.
Why don’t we get off our collective asses and do something? Why not go to Ottawa and march around Rideau Hall and Parliament hill with placards reading, *Out with Fraud*, *Out with Vote Buyers*, *4.6 Billion Not debated*, *NDP not Elected*.
I can’t get away just now. I would do that for a time if I could.
It amazes me that no one, [it will probably take WW2 vets], in Ottawa is demonstrating.
If you live in Ottawa and you are reading this, maybe you could comment why you could not walk about the hill for an hour or two. It’s good exercise.
If you do choose to walk in front of Rideau Hall say, be sure to bring along some printouts exposing Liberals faults or the Gov. General letter from BendGovernment.blogspot.com
Canadians have marched to save the Stickleback Minnow. Why are there no anti-liberal demonstrations now?
Anyone in Ottawa, or Arnprior, or Gatineau, or Hull,or Brockvill, or SmithsFalls, or Merrickville? Hello? hello? 73s TG
Rolling’your’eyes,
I suppose the teachings of Jesus, the Pope, and the teachings of the Church you claim to attend mean nothing?
Instead of rolling your eyes, use them to see the words of Jesus.
I will not get on board the wagon of convenience. I prefer the road less travelled than the smooth trail of hopelessness and decay.
So you are a ROMAN Catholic? Funny, you sound like an Anglican. Learn, young man. You sound as rude, disrespecful and un-Christian as you judged me to be.
God bless.
An Irish Catholic.
Anselm, you are Roman Catholic? You seem like a right wing southern evangelical. I, too am Roman Catholic and have attended Catholic elementary and high school and I have no problem with SSM. Your thinking on this topic is irrelevant to most Cdns.
It is very, very difficult to restrain oneself when faced with the kind of blatant bestial ignorance of a “rolling-my-eyes.” I suspect that people like him are sent by Satan to tempt us.
Jesus was not judgemental?
Is there some evidence of that?
He said to ONE of the thieves, “Today you will be with Me in paradise.”
“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.”
“I will send Him [the Holy Spirit] to you. And when he has come, he will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement: of sin, because they do not believe in Me … of judgement, because the ruler of this world is judged.”
“Whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.”
“It will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgement than for you [Chorazin and Bethsaida].”
Where did “rolling-my-eyes” learn that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute?
Where did “rolling-my-eyes” learn that she poured oil on his feet?
Was the woman at the house of Simon the leper a prostitute? Who told “rolling-my-eyes” that? Satan?
Is “rolling-my-eyes” trying to argue that his teachers were fools or that he is unteachable?
“Cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
“Rolling-my-eyes” says that he is proud?
“The sin of pride is the sin of sins. It was this sin which transformed Lucifer, the very “seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty,” into Satan, the devil, the father of lies, the one for whom Hell itself was created.”
Saint Augustine: ” ‘Pride is the commencement of all sin’ because it was this which overthrew the devil, from whom arose the origin of sin; and afterwards, when his malice and envy pursued man, who was yet standing in his uprightness, it subverted him in the same way in which he himself fell. For the serpent, in fact, only sought for the door of pride whereby to enter when he said, ‘Ye shall be as gods.’ ”
“Rolling-my-eyes” says that he is a Roman Catholic?
Is he really unaware of the teachings of his Bishops, guided by the Holy Spirit:
“Homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. … Under no circumstance can they be approved. … Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman.”
– Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, Sections 2357-2360
“Rolling-my-eyes” is either a fool or a liar.
Looks like Canada is getting some good international press:
From the BBC:
The legislation puts Canada on a quite different course to its powerful neighbour to the south.
In the US, President George W Bush is seeking a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as being between a man and a woman.
Hundreds of foreigners, including Americans and Israelis, have gone to Canada for civil unions since gay marriage was first allowed in some provinces in 2003.
From the Washington Post:
But unlike in the United States, where some legislators and President Bush have actively opposed same-sex marriage, the Canadian Parliament acted to establish a uniform national law. Despite opposition from church leaders and politicians in several provinces, the move is supported by a majority of the Canadian public, in what gay rights advocates say has been a relatively swift turnabout of opinion over a period of several years.
From Reuters:
Some Liberal lawmakers admit they fear a voter backlash at the next federal election, expected early next year. Conservative leader Stephen Harper says opposing gay marriage will form a major part of his election platform.
But Harper’s stance could also be risky. The Liberals won elections in 2000 and 2004 in part because they portrayed their right-wing rivals as extremists who would hack away at civil rights if elected.
I would prefer that Harper drop the stubborn streak where SSM is concearned.
Bill C-38 is history and thank heaven for that. It only affects [ 1%] one percent of Canadians.
Now on to the business of rescuing Canada from the swamp of Libscammer corruption.
Item one will be the enactment of Bill-C-11. The Whistle-Blower Protections Act that will protect 100% of Canadians from a wide variety of revenues thefts and rip-offs.
Check at BendGovt.blog.ca
You will be surprised at the scope and value of Whistle-Blower law.
Check the tricks and stealth used against the Bill in the US at nswbc.org
WB law is also in the pipe for the United Nations. WB Law, Important? You Bet!
If this law had been effective twelve years ago. Adscam would have been nipped in the bud, when Allan Coulter whistled about fake contracts he refused to sign in Guite’s office back then.
We lost hundreds of millions of revenue dollars simply because effective WB law was not in place. 73s TG
“It only affects [ 1%] one percent of Canadians.”
My nomination for Most Naive Statement of the Day.
Hank,
Thank you for the compliment. I like southerners and most Americans. Honest, hardworking and sincere, you can’t find better neighbours in the world.
oh, canada…
Kate has an interesting letter to the prime minister……
Re: “I would prefer that Harper drop the stubborn streak where SSM is concearned.”
Stubborn? Are you joking?
“Here’s CPC “Justice” “critic” Vic Toews’ limp-d*&%#d “defence of marriage”:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/feb/05020112.html
Toews stated, �The Conservative party will be proposing amendments to provide clear recognition of the traditional definition of marriage�, but then continued that they would also, �provide full recognition of same-sex relationships as possessing equal rights and privileges.�
The Conservative leadership seems to have completely rejected warnings by some pro-marriage leaders that marriage would be further devastated and Canadians robbed of religious freedom and conscience rights whether homosexual couples are given marriage rights under the word �marriage�, �civil unions� or any other terminology.
Boston’s Archbishop Sean O’Malley stated last year on behalf of the Massachusetts bishops, “We are concerned with proposals to give same-sex couples identical benefits and protections to those given to husbands and wives that pose a grave threat to religious liberty and the freedom of conscience.” Robert Knight of the US Culture and Family Institute wrote last year, “Civil unions are a Trojan horse for gay marriage � and more. They are just gay marriage by another name.”
A reporter asked Conservative Party critic Toews, �I hear you saying you want to extend all the rights, benefit, obligations of marriage to same-sex couples, except the right to use the word marriage, is that correct?
�That�s essentially the point�, replied Toews, on behalf of his party.
– Oh Yay-Frickin’-Hoo! Such Fortitude!
http://www.autonomoussource.com/archive/000633.html
Tony Geetar: take a look: dare ya.
Your comments re the hangings?
Subversive activity: there oughta be a law.
Look at Gag, Paul, Dalton: swingers all.
Well, Brian O’Neill, I do appreciate that you’re trying to have fun trying to get us to think a little more by giving us stuff from the Communist Manifesto, etc. to make your point in an artsy-fartsy way. You can give it. Good.
But, you see, sir, not everyone is possessed of the same, how shall I put it, mindset, ie. it seems we’re operating on different brainwave frequencies or something like that.
What I mean is it’s all about communication, my good man. It’s good to minimize the chance of ambiguity and misunderstanding. In my experience, it helps to say what you mean in addition to the fancy stuff (nothing wrong with that, of course). Don’t leave us guessing. Our interpretation will NOT necessarily be what you intended. Yup, even a brain surgeon may indeed get a different impression of what you’re trying to say.
My interpretation is that you want people to “move on” from the SSM civil war to what you think are more important issues. Well, I would have agreed until last night. I have nothing at all against people having whatever private life they want in their own homes, but C-38 is dangerous. Liberalized divorce laws have been very harmful to society, I have seen. All kinds of well-intentioned liberalizations by lefties over the past so many decades have caused many problems for Canada. Traditional marriage is PROVEN over the entire history of humanity across the planet to be beneficial. What little experience there has been with SSM has NOT been beneficial to society as a whole. I remember reading a report on how it has affected the Netherlands. Forget where I read the report, but if I recall correctly, STRAIGHT people actually are TURNING AWAY FROM MARRIAGE as a consequence of the redefinition. It is no longer something that makes male/female couples feel special. If that is not a scary, dangerous consequence of such extreme social reengineering for you, then, man, I’m afraid you got a problem. Think about that. Cause/effect etc. etc. Got that?
Stephen McAllister,
Your reading is bizarre.
Of course I was pointing out that this insanity about Queer “Marriage” and other trendy, arrogant social-engineering schemes are exactly the kind of social-mind*4#@s advocated by Marx in the Communist Manifesto.
In future I’ll be sure to add diagrams and asterixes highlighting KEY CONCEPTS and MAIN POINTS and keep my comments to one-syllable words where possible.
To wit,
MARX: BAD
LIB-ER-ALS: BAD
RED TOR-IES: BAD
MARX-ISM: GLIB-ER-AL-ISM: RED TOR-Y-ISM
COMM-UN-IST MAN-I-FES-TO: QUEER MARR-IAGE: SA-TAN-IC IN-SAN-I-TY: E-VIL: UN-CLEAN
Capiche?
OT
Brian I take it that you have been banned from the Shotgun.
Too bad the place is going to hell in a handbasket, they could use your insight over there
Okay, that’s better.
But, Brian, as I said before, if you’re not going to be clear in the first place, we will probably misinterpret the stuff you post.
Looks like you had a few points: those things are bad. Well, I agree on all of them. Verrrry bad things indeed. Duuh. Youse is so smart. Me is so… what? Not smart, I figger.
Now, wasn’t that a funny exchange? 🙂
Seriously, though, Brian, your point is now perfectly clear. The bloody book by the bloody Marx bastard seems to have foreshadowed all the ridiculous lefty nonsense being forced down the throats of Canadians these days.
Perhaps Mein Kampf would have some similar nonsense in it.
Haven’t read either, and never will. No need. Already saw the consequences recorded by history.
A reading of Mein Kampf would be more relevant for an understanding of Trudeau, Chretien, and Martin’s great friends in Red Fascist China.
Maz2 you are a delight. No I will not look. The reason being Bill C-38 has passed and after all, it only applies to say 1% or 2%
of Canadians. No point flogging a dead horse when it applies to so few.
Now Bill C-11, Whistle Blower Protection law applies to 100% of Canadians and it is also underway in the USA and up for consideration for the UN.
Why is it so important? http://www.nswbc.org says it all. 73s TG
Bill C-11 “Whistle Blower Protection law” is a scam
Don’t be scammed by all this nonsensical chatter about other issues/legislation being “more important” than the legal killing of innocent human being and disasterous social engineering.
Taxes. C-11. Aid for Africa. Military copters. All of these problems can be corrected by a good governmenmt, or will continue to plague us as long as we have a bad government.
e.g.
1993: Glibs promise am ethics commissioner. They don’t keep promise. Harold Wilson was Chretien’s lap-dog. Martin says he’ll change things. Now we have Shapiro, who is an incompetent joke, and just there to provide cover for government corruption. Plus ca change . . .
Meanwhile, Slasher Morgenthaler’s victims are dead forever, and he and his ilk are still free to slash away.
And we’ll probably have government-sanctioned queer “marriage” very soon, and we’ll have it for as long as Canada continues to limp along.
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Here’s a comment on C-11 from the Catholic Women’s League:
“‘Whistle Blower Bill’ — The Hon. Reg Alcock, President of the Treasury Board, had a heated exchange with irate MPs concerning Bill C-11 An Act to establish a procedure for the disclosure of wrongdoings in the public sector, including the protection of persons who disclose the wrongdoings, which is being referred to as the ‘Whistle Blower Bill.’ Some members feel that the Bill, as it stands, is STRUCTURED MORE TO HIDE CORRUPTION than to protect the rights of the ‘whistle blower.’ (This is one bill we should be watching.)”
Here’s a letter from the Canadian Environmental Committee [I believe they got it via Democracy Watch] to the Government Operations and Estimates Committee:
“Bill C-11 will not create effective, comprehensive protection for anyone who reports wrongdoing. In fact, Bill C-11 is designed mainly to hide wrongdoing from the public and to discourage whistleblowers.
“Please change Bill C-11 in the following six key ways to ensure that anyone in Canada who reports wrongdoing will be protected from harm, and the public will be fully informed about wrongdoing across Canada:
“1. Anyone (not just bureaucrats) who reports wrongdoing by anyone (not just by some people in some government institutions) must be protected from harm;
“2. Everyone must have the right to report wrongdoing anonymously and directly to an independent whistleblower watchdog agency (without having to identify themselves or complain first to their bosses);
“3. The proposal to have the Public Service Commission (PSC) act as the watchdog office must be changed because the PSC is not independent of the federal government (instead, the new Ethics Commissioner office should be the whistleblower watchdog agency, but to be fully independent the Ethics Commissioner must be approved by the opposition party leaders, not chosen only by the Prime Minister);
“4. The whistleblower protection agency must be required to report the number and topic of ongoing investigations, and to report publicly the results of any investigation (including the identities of all wrongdoers);
“5. The whistleblower watchdog agency’s powers must be increased to include the power to penalize the wrongdoers, to order a clean-up of the wrongdoing, and to penalize anyone who resists or delays cleaning up the wrongdoing, and;
“6. Everyone must have a clear right to appeal the rulings of the watchdog agency to court.”
http://www.cen-rce.org/eng/action_alerts/05_01_ethical_fed_%20gov.html
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And from last week’s news:
“According to critics like Duff Conacher of Democracy Watch — it’s probably a good thing that Bill C-11 may not pass. He says it’s a deeply flawed piece of legislation.
“Bill C-11 is a completely ineffective system and hopefully with this minority government situation we’ll see the opposition parties push and we’ll get an effective system passed before the next election,” says Conacher.
Conacher says Canada needs an independent office, reporting directly to Parliament, to oversee Whistleblower protection. And he says that protection should go beyond public servants and be extended to private sector employees who report corporate wrong-doing.
“No one should be surprised to see scandalous behavior continuing in the federal government because it is effectively legal to act in corrupt, unethical ways,” says Conacher. “There is no effective legislation anywhere in this country.”
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1119655724397_20?hub=TopStories
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Maz2, I wuz jest pushin yer buttons there. Of course I went and looked over AutonomousSource.com and it’s a great site…. photos and all. Very enjoyable.
BrianO’neill, You are correct sir. Bill C-11 is very much a scam, [in it’s present form]. It will be amended debated and made effective.
Once C-11 is properly fleshed out, it will be the one of the most money saving [read conservative], bills of legislation on the books.
I couldn’t be any more delighted with the discussion here. Once people begin looking into the wide scope of WB Protection law the more it will be realized as the worthwhile cause that it is.
Governments in both Canada and the US hate it because it holds their feet to the flame, but it will be worth fighting for.
73s TG
Since when is “money-saving” synonomous with “conservative”?
So killing everyone at age 65 would be conservative?