“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure
about the former.” — Albert Einstein
One hopes that one of these days the Canadian media are going to smarten up and start headlining these stories with Carolyn Parrish Furiously Seeking Attention.
(Sure, I just did the same. However, I figure that she’s likely to hang around in the news for a few days, so it’s worthwhile to provide a Parrish bashing comments thread to corral the inevitable discussion.)
(This should have been here rather than preceding post.)
This from the Ottawa Citizen story, July 28, “MP Parrish furious over Afghanistan mission”:
http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=5a72eaa1-42fa-4a18-8e35-2164d864e940
‘Meanwhile, the opinionated MP spoke harshly about Canada’s new role in Afghanistan.
“We’re sending in armed troops to kill people (in Afghanistan). This is a drastic change in direction…”‘
Ms Parrish doesn’t seem to realize that the Canadian Forces’ initial deployment to Afghanistan in 2002 was in a combat, not peacekeeping, role. How short are memories in this country?
By the way, the air forces of the testosterone-charged Dutch and Belgians have fighters flying combat missions in Afghanistan right now–and the air force of the Yankee-wary French will be joining them–under NATO command. (“Nearly Ready: Communications Deemed Critical to Future NATO Response Forces”, Aviation Week, July 1.
Mark
Ottawa
Sorry, Aviation Week story is July 18.
Mark
Ottawa
You know, if there are any Canadian Forces contractors or employers in Ms Parrish district, perhaps they ought to be moved. These employers must be rather distressing to Ms Parrish, in that they support the missios of the Armed Forces.
Perhaps the same should happen to American employers in her district. After all, these companies pay taxes in the US and with the Bush administration preparing the budget, well, that must be very distressing to Ms Parrish, given her feelings toward the US administration.
Might be time to move some of those employers to more hospitable surroundings.
Mark..how dare you inform Ms Parrish that our role in Afganhistan is combat..not lovey-dovey peacekeeping!Are you trying to give her a heart attack? LOL..we can only hope.This useless piece of skin needs to get a life,and quickly(Parrish,not Mark)Don’t these people realize that these goons are out to kill us and destroy our way of life?Opppsss,hang on a sec,I have to go beat the wife for daring to walk in front of me.Insolent bitch.When are our saviour Libs going to allow Sharia law into this country so that all women can be properly put in thier places??
“In the letter to Mr. Graham, Ms. Parrish wrote: ‘I implore you to muzzle the beast, assume command of Canada’s agenda in your usual articulate, dignified and intelligent way. Let the Canadian public know Gen. Hillier does not speak for our government.'”
The “beast” being, uh, the chief of the defence staff, or does she mean to include every member of the armed forces?
And Anne Dawson is another reporter who, whether sloppily or revisionistically, confuses which bastards Parrish was describing while making a basic error about the U.S. system of government:
“Ms. Parrish, who was booted out of the Liberal caucus last year after she criticized the government of U.S. President George W. Bush as ‘bastards’ and ‘idiots…'”
For those who’ve forgotten or don’t care, the exact quote as reported even by the Mother Corp was “Damn Americans � I hate those bastards.”
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V2C02248B
Memo to worldly Canadian political reporter: when writing “the government of U.S. President George W. Bush” were you talking about “the administration?” Just asking…
“The first time Canadian soldiers come back in body bags, you just wait for the outcry”
Carolyn Parrish paints a fairly pathetic view of Canadians. Is she indicating that Canadians don’t have the fortitude to stand up with the U.S. AND Europe against terrorist forces in Afghanistan? Is she seriously indicating that Canadians don’t care enough about foreign matters to become involved in combatting anarchy and terrorism in the world? Afghanistan is a no-brainer. If we aren’t there, we’ve thrown in the towl as an international player.
Boy, I hope she’s not correct about Canada!
I’m sure this is the millionth time we’ve corrected the MSM for this but:
Parrish was booted for insulting PMPM, not for insulting Americans. Insulting Americans is Lieberal policy.
Carolyn Parrish is a modern squeaky Liberal. She typifies everything that has gone wrong with the Liberal Party of Canada. Shallow and a panderer of liberal groupthink, Ms Parrish is not a real Canadian. She is a dangerous example of what happens when estrogen and marijuana are mixed. She is also a reminder that our enemies can count on liberals for support.
Jeff – you’re absolutely correct and, as one who recently brought up this topic, I should have mentioned it. So many falsehoods, so little time…
It’s such a deliciously quintessential Liberal maneuver to condone silently the “hate speech” of a sitting MP, to eject her only when she has directed her venom repeatedly toward the PM, and then to claim credit retroactively through the MSM for addressing her remarks toward those American bastards.
Ironically, it’s the blogosphere that’s bringing such comments to the attention of, in this instance, “Middle America,” a good thing. Those who travel south of the border may notice that they’re no longer universally greeted with the “Canadians are sooo nice” comments of yore.
At some point Canadians probably will have to decide, for reasons of economic self interest if nothing else, whether to allow those who carry the latent “anti-Americanism” that has long been part of the Canadian identity to its extreme to speak for the country in discourse with the bastards to the South.
I hope she is reelected.
She is the Howard Dean of Canadian politics.
And an anti-semetic beeatch
General Eisenhower titled his first book of memoirs “Crusade in Europe.” Will Parrish demand that this dead man (clearly a “beast” with an excess of testosterone) be “muzzled” by removing his obviously anti-Muslim diatribe from our public libraries? Parrish will certainly not know that the book is about defeating the Germans and Italians in WW II.
Mark
Ottawa
She is just 20 years out of date…..perhaps 40 years out of date….she was born in 46…a prime boomer…cant wait to see her University portrait and what she was apart of in University.
She is a self indulgent boomer playing to local politics, which she may actually happen to agree with.
She doesnt know her countries history and she doesnt know her countries present.
As for the testosterone fuelled comment….I can only imagine how a dismissive comment about her being a post menospausal and estrogen diminished women who is probably having hot flashes would be irrelevant to the debate.
Bottom line, Carolyn Parrish is a blowhard, posuer and a self important grandstander. I hope she gets re-elected as an independent. Maybe she’ll start her own party..
And if she cant tell the difference between Afghanistan and Iraq, our role, repsonsibilities and mission, then she has an even more thick head than I imagined.
A classic market square hero
The only way to deal with this egomaniac is to completly ignore her comments, say nothing and with no gasoline the press itself no matter how Liberal it is, will extinguish this flame on their own.
She’s the spoiled brat from the school yard , ignore her and she will go away.
General Hillier’s hide is tough enough to withstand name calling and he rides very high in the polls. Martin and his puppets would not dare touch him .
Here’s to hoping that the next fuse lit by a terrorist is hanging out of her keester at the time…
“Here’s to hoping that the next fuse lit by a terrorist is hanging out of her keester at the time…
Posted by Brian M. at July 28, 2005 12:17 PM ”
Beautiful . . made me laugh out loud.
This Ontario federal MP may yet use her total twit-hood to help elect a more sane government who will then upgrade the CDN. Perhaps then we can send even more troops to help our best friends bring peace to the world.
Ain’t it grand it when they are so stupid that they do the work of those they oppose. Her threats to help bring down the Liberals is music to my ears. You go girl!
I couldn’t believe the stupidity of that woman. I sent her an email this morning explaining my dismay. My only hope in this situation is that the media starts to bash her, she doesn’t get let back into the liberal caucus, and she splits votes with the new liberal candidate in her riding, making way for a possible conservative victory.
PMPM is too unprincipled however, to lose a seat by letting Parrish run as an independant. I suspect he will let the issue slide into the background, and let her in as the election is called.
Feel free to email this outspoken MP at the following address:
parric@parl.gc.ca
Using civil wording, let her know how you really feel about her musings…
Time to ignore the parrot flutter of Parrish.
She put on a tantrum. She entertained. She is finished. Why? Because her logic is faulty.
Her policy of *Liberano avoidance* would make it easier for Al-Qaida boom – boys. She would
make it more likely that poppings would happen here. Go away Parrish.
If Parrish suggests we pull our support from the Dutch, French and Belians who are also putting out the same fire, she sure does not speak for this Canadian ex-Navy type.
Now on to Willie Graham. I think there is a new sandbar showing in the Gulf that he will want to lay claim to. The Gulf of St. Lawrence, that is. 73s TG
I think Carolyn Parrish would make an ideal
successor to Paul Martin.
The frightening thing is some people would take this seriously.
Drained Brain, There is no latent anti-Americanism in Canadians really.
It is simply a case of the uninformed bashing the neighbour they do not actually know.
It’s fun, and other people are doing it, so why not eh?
Why not? Because it makes you look like a sheep or a lemming. Besides, do you want to let Parrish guide you to wisdom? Give me a break. You are headed for a cliff.
I first met a cross-section of Americans and worked with them while in the RCN. Later, I moved and lived in Texas and then to Ventura California. Also visited with friends in Flint Michigan. [ GM town].
The only US people American haters know are the bad guys in the TV news.
I can tell you first hand the ratio is a thousand to one in favour of the good guys in the USA.
So please do not embarrass me in front of good American friends with your uninformed barbs at Americans.
If ever I am stranded, let it be in Newfoundland or the good old US of America.
73s TonyGuitar
Is Parrish ever dismissive of people!!!
She was on our local radio station this morning and stated that the mission in Afghanistan has changed. She stated that it started out as a mission to get Osama bin Laden but now has become a mission of keeping peace in a country that sells 90% of the world’s heroin. She then said that MPs don’t know what people want out of their military so that MPs should be consulting with their constituents. After all this time in office, she doesn’t know what her constituents want out of the miliary?!?
How incredibly dismissive. Apparently, Afghanistan is just a drug-peddling nation that doesn’t deserve our attention anymore. I know, I know…taking Parrish seriously only makes you look stupid yourself.
She’s a politician and she’s not going to cut her own throat. This means that what she says in public are things she thinks will not harm her poitically. In other words, things she feels will go over well with here constituents. I understand her riding contains a huge number of recent immigrants. By extrapolation, one may surmise that recent immigtants share her feelings. If this is so we should all be very afraid for our future as a nation. It would appear that the people coming here today are not made of the same stuff as the people who built this nation.
from TonyGuitar:
“So please do not embarrass me in front of good American friends with your uninformed barbs at Americans.”
Huh? My own spouse is an American who finally grew tired at the constant subtle and not-so-subtle barbs of some Canadians, ranging from Ms. Parrish to Rick Mercer. That’s why my brain is drained from the Great White North.
Have you never heard of the United Empire Loyalists? That English Canada was influenced largely by settlers who rejected the revolution of the colonists, and were treated rather unpleasantly for their loyalty to the British crown, is an historical fact and there’s nothing to be ashamed about.
Unfortunately, the perceived vacuum of lack of a “lack of a Canadian identity” has been filled to the brim by the Trudeaupia of the past 30-or-so years. Most if not all of Trudeaupian “values” – e.g. peacekeeping, medicare, multi-culturalism – are proclaimed in contrast to you-know-who.
Read Granatstein here:
ttp://makeashorterlink.com/?W4C62548B
“The first of these factors is Canadian anti-Americanism-a persistent and pervasive disease that has strong historical books.”
You could also consider the article by a disenchanted American LIBERAL immigrant that appeared awhile back in the Washington Post, eh:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1965248B
Sad to say, by claiming there’s no latent anti-Americanism in Canada, you’re demonstrating exactly the kind of denial to which I earlier referred. My point is that even those “American bastards” are starting to see through it.
If you really think my “uninformed barbs” are aimed at Americans, I have to suspect you were one of Ms. Parrish’s students.
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Re my previous post, let’s try a better, albeit longer,link to the Granatstein article:
http://www.cda-cdai.ca/CDA_GMs/AGM68/GranatsteinI05.pdf
If that doesn’t work, simply search Canadian + anti-American + Granatstein – it’s a pdf file.
His quote should of course read:
“The first of these factors is Canadian anti-Americanism-a persistent and pervasive disease that has strong historical roots.”
I’d love to know what this moronic excuse for a woman has to say about the atrocities commited by the Taliban. This is a bloody country where women were kicked out of school for being female and men were given nothing more than religious instruction in school. It’s finally rid of the most extreme form of a religious dictatorship, with terrorist (and former Taliban officials) remain in caves everywhere and she’s outraged that Canadian soldiers will be killing people, and may get killed defending it. Is it really possible to be any more ignorant.
Can’t we send her to Afghanistan, clearly in her case education didn’t “take” anyway.
We should embrace Carolyn Parrish. Lets seed some rumors that she is the front runner in the undeclared Liberal leadership race, and start talking about her as one of the most influential Liberals in the country. Lets tell people that when she is PM she will actually take us to war with our bitter enemies, the US, Israel, and Britain, and drive them out of Iraq so that the peace loving Saddam can again take over government. In other words, lets tell some nasty lies that will drive Liberal voters away from their party in droves.
An historical curiosity: until Trudeau the Liberals had generally been the continentalist, pro-American party, with the Conservatives being suspicious of the US and pro-Empire. The Conservatives supported the British (and French and Israelis) during the Suez Crisis of 1956, while the Liberal Government joined with the US in opposing them.
Mark
Ottawa
And Carolyn Parrish gets all this free publicity…….
Ignore her– she’s not going away, so just ignore her.Don’t waste any time on concerns for Gen. Hillier, either. He’s our modern day Churchill, a real Newfoundland dog and Ms. Parrish is not even a flea on his ass.
Kate, what will happen when Canadian soldiers start dying in Afganistan, or terrorists blow up subway trains in Toronto? Will Canada follow the example of Spain?
Mystery Meat: Which Spain?
1) The Spain of the Reconquista from the Muslim conquerors;
2) The Spain that won the world’s greatest empire;
3) The Spain that resisted Napoleon and gave us the word “guerrilla”;
4) The Spain of the Civil War that defeated Soviet-supported revolutionaries (albeit brutally but was never itself “fascist”);
5) The Spain that after Franco peacefully became a democratic constitutional monarchy; or
6) The Spain that bugged out of Iraq.
Mark
Ottawa
Parrish pandering to muslims living in mississauga makes me wanna puke!
Terrorism has demanded that the free world put aside all the old psychodrama and grow up.
It’s time to lay aside outworn family bickering and sibling rivalry and form an alliance based on our shared values and on the defeat of our enemies.
Carolyn Parrish panders to the worst tendencies in the Canadian body politic.
Anyone who would drive a wedge between the US and Canada at this juncture is a threat and a traitor to the security of the free world.
We have an insidious enemy who will not hesitate to use our weak links against us.
I’ve read that the Canadian spirit is a sort of unique cross between British and American. If this is true, America is instructed and enriched by Canada’s perspective.
However when people like Carolyn Parrish become the voice of a large segment of Canada, she appeals to the worst in Canada, and sends a message of hate to America.
“Ask not for whom the bell tolls,” as they say, “it tolls for thee.”
It’s time for everyone to chose their corner.
Good point Walsh
Sheila: Parrish is a rabid pro-hamas anti-Israeli activist. She admires arafat for christsake!
She is less concerned with the plight of Muslim women than anyone in this country…
She is also an asset to the right… as she alienates everyone even close to the center.
C. Parrish, many of the Liberal regime, too many other Canadians; they have all drunk the Kool-Aid; swallowed it; they are committing suicide. Parrish, herself, is a casualty.
Bulldoze them off the road; road-kill they are. They have lost touch with reality! Onward with the fight against Islamist murderers.
>>>>>>>>>
“ShrinkWrapped said…
From its dim past Euripides once warned, “Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad.”
We can only lose this war if we surrender; we will surrender if we do not see anything of value to defend in our culture. We lose when fools fight to keep Military recruiters from our high school and college campuses. We lose when the forces of political correctness and multiculturism fog the minds of so many who can not recognize the enemy when he stabs them in the back.
PC & Multi-cult are forms of quasi-psychotic thinking that distort our ability to recognize and assess reality.
As an emample: AFter 7/7, the New York police instituted a program of random searches of subway passengers. There are now 20 complaints (as per NPR this morning) of ethnic profiling against the police, primarily from Hispanics who claim they were mistaken for Muslims. The good news is that Al Sharpton has anounced he will not sue the city…yet.
Cultures that lose touch with reality inevitably crumble.”
http://www.rapp.org/url/?TEI7YDGB
Belmont Club
As Rex Murphy wrote in the Globe and Mail on 2003-03-29:
“Americans are mad at us, not because we’re not with them, but because of the way in which we have chosen to tell them we’re not with them. If we expect the Americans to treat with some delicacy those matters that are most important to us, then they surely have the right to an equal expectation in how we deal with them. […]
This mingy undercurrent of smug anti-Americanism is one of the most demeaning strands in our national life. Indulging it at a time of great seriousness savages the dignity of both nations. We should strive always, Samuel Johnson once said, to keep our friendships in repair. We disagree, it seems, with the Americans on this war. Fine. But I think Mr. Cellucci is properly ticked with how we’re disagreeing.”
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Martin hopes meeting spurs dialogue
TORONTO (CP) – Prime Minister Paul Martin met with Canadian Islamic leaders Thursday night and praised them for their statement last week condemning extremism. [BS BS BS BS]
“Better to stay silent and have people think you stupid, than to speak forth and remove all doubt.”
Cheers
JMH
On 2003-03-20, Alberta’s Premier Klein sent a letter to Paul Cellucci, U.S. Ambassador to Canada. An abridged version was published in the National Post on the 27th as follows:
“On behalf of the Government of Alberta, I am writing to express to you, and through you to President Bush and the people of the United States, my support for your nation and its leadership role in ridding the world of terrorism.
“As President Bush said shortly after September 11, 2001, the war on terrorism and weapons of mass destruction is not a war the U.S. sought. In accepting this sombre challenge, however, the United States has shown clarity in setting its goals and patience and resolve in achieving them. In short, the President and your nation have exemplified leadership.
“This leadership has earned the deepest respect of many, many Albertans. The people of Alberta enjoy a great friendship with the United States — a friendship built on common interests, much common history, and shared values. As Americans put their lives on the line to preserve freedom and security, we feel that friendship more strongly than ever.
“We join with Americans and people around the world in praying for a quick, successful end to hostilities, and a safe return home for American troops. Above all, we extend our thanks to the United States for its leadership in the war on terrorism and tyranny. Future generations will owe a great debt to those who fight today.”
The following is from http://tinyurl.com/6e4n7 :
A world-record killing shot by a Canadian sniper detachment in Afghanistan could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview. The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres.
But the U.S. rounds, they discovered, “fly farther, faster,” said Cpl. “Bill”, a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld. The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres, or nearly 2 1/2 kilometres, on the second shot.
This feat is the equivalent of standing at the foot of Yonge St. and hitting a target in the intersection of Yonge and Wellesley Sts., just north of College St.
The first shot blew a bag from the hand of their target, an Al Qaeda fighter walking on a road. “He didn’t even flinch,” said Bill, who spoke on condition that his real name not be used.
“We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right.”
The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan’s Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock.
I’m sorry, that was rather rude of me. I owe a tip of the hat for the reference to my previous posting’s content to Damian Penny, proprieter of Daimnation! at http://www.damianpenny.com
There are a lot of posts here, and I’ve not read them all, so please excuse me if I am repeating someone, but Parrish is likely right that Canadians will go ballistic as soon as some more Canadians return in body bags. Remember the pathetic national convulsions that occurred when four soldiers were killed by friendly fire? Four people who accepted death as a risk of their calling had their numbers called, and suddenly we couldn’t shut up about it. We may have been a strong military nation once. We no longer are. And Parrish is a symptom, not the problem.
Some people certainly will go ballistic Peter, just as some do in any society, including our great neighbours to the south. After a time though, or a few times anyway, people start to catch on and modify their judgement call.
I think we’ve seen some changes after London and Egypt. I’m not saying it’s a tipping point, but I think something structural may have shifted. It seems to me that people are, significantly more than before, comming to realize that fundamentalist islamismists are killing more honest hard-working Muslims than they are anyone else.
And what’s going on in Thailand? They’re killing 800 Muslims & Buddhists a year? Buddhists? Call for Yoda, white courtesy telephone please, WTF?
At this point the appeasers syllogisms break down majestically, and even they are starting to see it. Humans change their preferences slowly, because it tends to be (at least mentally) painful, but in the milieu let’s not lose track of the direction in which we need to head, pace those who fear every ridge, valley, and swamp along the route. This isn’t recreational, we’ve got a job to do. Wagons, Ho!
Tony:
Thanks for the response. So I am clear, you are suggesting that even though Canadians demonstrated at best lukewarm support for our initial forays into Afghanistan (following an attack on American soil), they will now have more resolve because of the killing of muslims in Thailand? I am sorry, but I see no evidence of strengthening resolve, but perhaps you’ve seen data I have not.
It’s not so much that I have a vision as it is that I think I felt something, Peter. A rumble in the power-supply transformers perhaps.
I understand the low signal to noise ratio in the media. Nevertheless, difference analysis produces useful information. It seems to me that more of the MSM has been picking up more stories by people traditionally not considered to be on “our” side who are starting to decide to agree with us, at least to some degree.
But what do I know? I went to the track with a woman named Marie and bet on a pony called The Pawn in the seventh race. When it pulled away from the pack in the club-house turn I burst out in song, “Marie, The Pawn is breaking.”
Oh bother, I forgot the reference again. Here it is:
http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/m/marievarious.shtml
Tony: perhaps you’re correct. If not, you’re at least funny, which is more than most of us can claim.
Why, thank you Peter, that’s mighty neighbourly of you to say that.
I don’t deserve the credit though, the real credit goes to Jackie Mason, Milton Berle, and George Burns.