David Terron hauls fourth year University of Waterloo political science student (and director for the Liberal Party of Canada in Kitchener-Conestoga) Mark Johnson back to class – by the ear.
(A sequel to “I Used To Be A Communist, But I’ve Since Woken Up”)
Mark Johnson is really majoring in Kissing Ass! (And the Liberano Party still has plenty of room for half-wits like him.) Duh!
OK, is this a case of great minds thinking alike, or fools seldom differing? 🙂
1)
“But there was no “invasion” of Afghanistan. Before the fall of Kabul to the insurgent Afghan Northern Alliance in November 2001, and the consequent collapse of the Taliban regime, there were no foreign regular combat formations in Afghanistan.
The Northern Alliance did receive air support and assistance from special forces (both U.S. and British); that however is not an invasion. Substantial foreign ground combat forces–including Canadian–only entered the country after the Taliban had been deposed by indigenous Afghan forces, and those forces entered with the agreement of the Northern Alliance.”
David Terron July 29, 2005 Imprint
And then:
2)
“But there was no “invasion” of Afghanistan. Before the fall of Kabul to the insurgent Afghan Northern Alliance in November 2001, and the consequent collapse of the Taliban regime, there were no foreign regular combat formations in Afghanistan.
“The Northern Alliance did receive air support and assistance from special forces (both U.S. and British); that however is not an invasion. Substantial foreign ground combat forces–including Canadian–only entered the country after the Taliban had been deposed by indigenous Afghan forces, and those forces entered with the agreement of the Northern Alliance.”
Ottawa
Posted by: Mark Collins at July 20, 2005 04:05 PM
And, Dr. Dawg, your point was…?
Also, Dr. Dawg, Perhaps you could provide the whole context surrounding the above?
Dr.Dawg: I have already congratulated Mr Terron on his intelligent use of publicly available material. Have you any comment of the accuracy of the material so used?
By the way, Mark Johnson should have remained a “Communist”, a state of intellectual developement from which he has not in any substantive fashion progressed.
Perhaps he has lost an ideology–though I wonder if he could explain the “labour theory of value”–and exchanged it for an attitude.
Fools and great minds sometimes are one and the same.
Mark
Ottawa
I prefer ” Butchslapped”. It may just be neutral in terms of both gender and sexual orientation.
Mark
Ottawa
I had just noted the odd similarity of the phrasing. In journalism, this would be considered plagiarism. Not, I hasten to add, in the blogosphere.
What was the original source of this material, now lightly edited by one or both? I was simply curious.
Dr.Dawg: I am sure I was.
The source is the facts. You could look them up. And, also, have some clear personal memory of what actually happened. If you can demonstrate any facts that are not consistent with the description of events in Afghanistan in late 2001, please provide them
To repeat: “Have you any comment of the accuracy of the material so used?”, in other words about the non-invasion of Afghanistan.
Woof,
Mark
Ottawa
Dr.Dawg: To be completely clear. I wrote the original text. All by myself. Unedited by anyone else.
Mark
Ottawa
Woof, yourself. I was interested in the text, not the argument. What this means is that the blogosphere is imploding. Our Insight author borrowed heavily from you. Just compare the two texts. One is a lightly edited version of the other.
As for the argument, like so many such arguments it turns on semantics. When is an invasion not an invasion? Why, when you offer air support, materiel, signals and training to insurgents in a civil war, but avoid putting boots on the ground. I was once criticized for saying that George Bush pere “invaded” Iraq. Hell, he just bombed the hell out of it, and sent troops across the border, too, but they didn’t stay there. Whatever.
“Invasion” or some other word, I don’t have any argument with the actual facts you cited on this matter, to be honest. As noted, it was the oddly similar texts that caught my eye. Any comments on that?
Dr.Dawg: The text was offered up for free further use.
‘I was once criticized for saying that George Bush pere “invaded” Iraq.’ Indeed the US (and Britain, France, Syria et al.) did in military terms invade.
As the Allies invaded Normandy, and the Germans many countries in WW II, and so on.
Did the Germans and Italians, or the Soviets, conduct “invasions” of Spain during the Civil War, 1936-39, a fair parallel to Afghanistan, 2001? I doubt may people would say so. (By the way, the Italians in Spain had as many as 50,000 troops on the ground but that was never called an “invasion”.)
The military operation in Afghanistan in 2001 was in no commonly understood use of the word an “invasion”. Which the operation in Iraq in 2003 certainly was. Words have meaning.
Thanks for being honest,
Mark
Ottawa
Denounce the Chinese Communist Party of China
Here are the Nine Commentaries:
0. Introduction
More than a decade after the fall of the former Soviet Union and Eastern European communist regimes, the international communist movement has been spurned worldwide. The demise of the Chinese Communist Party is only a matter of time.
1. On What the Communist Party Is
This article concerns the impact on the civilization of China of the communist movement and the Communist Party. Looking at the history of China�s last 160 years, nearly one hundred million people have died unnatural deaths and almost all of the traditional Chinese culture and civilization have been destroyed. What have been the consequences, whether the CCP was chosen by the Chinese or it was imposed on China from the outside?
>>>>>>>> The other 8 commentaries at:
http://english.epochtimes.com/jiuping.asp
I’m currently taking Poly Sci and this asshat�s views are not uncommon I’m sad to say.
It is amazing to hear presumably intelligent students rattle off words like totalitarian, dictatorship, oppressive and tyrannical in relation to western nations (specifically the US) without any real regard for either proof of their position or acknowledgement of the true meaning of the words they spew.
The hallowed halls of academia are chock full of quasi-commies, all fully rooted in Marx�s discredited theories�
BRIGHT EYED STUDENT: �Russia wasn�t communist�. That wasn�t what Marx envisioned at all��
PROFESSOR: �Yes, yes, we know� now move along. Next year we have a nice unbiased class for you featuring the collective works of Chomsky, Fanon, Waring and Paulison. Just to ensure a balanced education we will include a short study of totalitarianism, so that you can compare the moderate and good to the jackbooted, fascist dictatorship that you live in now.�
Dr Dawg: I ASKED for and received emails and comments on the original post of Kate’s for points to use in my letter.
As a student teacher I am fully aware of plagiarism; indeed as a mature student I despire when I see some of the rubbish my younger peers come out with; 16 students so far this term in my subject alone have been investigated; two found guilty and indeed one chap had his degree withdrawn after ten years when it was discovered he had copied another’s PhD.
But the letter used some points raised that I had not thought of or which I thought made a point better than my original attempt. Mark’s on Afghanistan was a case in point as was the local info in the comments on the original post about Mr C standing up in Parliament offering troops for Iraq and then withdrawing same.
I can tell you the politics students I showed Johnston’s article to were amazed at the ridiculous parroting of the Party line…I am also glad other students launched into him as well.
I can also say that the original reply was 1500 words long of which Mark’s and others contributed 120 words and I thanked them all in the original post comments.
Plagiarism? No. Co-operative spirit of the blogsphere? Yes.
I await Johnson’s reply in the next issue! 😎
Woof woof.
Another example of sloppy thinking/writing, or poor education, or political bias–or all three. The Globe, in its editorial today, “What road will Saudi Arabia follow?”, writes that “…Washington in the past has supported totalitarian regimes in Chile, in the Philippines, in Panama–and even, for a time, in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.”
The regimes in Chile, the Philippines and Panama were certainly authoritarian and brutal. But there were most certainly not “totalitiarian” in the sense that Saddam’s may have been–and quantitatively different in terms of lethality. Linking the first three with Iraq inaccurately ends up damning the US through a false equation.
As happens when the “invasions” of Afghanistan and Iraq are mentioned together.
“Totalitarian” should be reserved for those few regimes that deserve it:
Mao’s China
Stalin’s Russia
Hitler’s Germany
The Kims’ Korea
Pol Pot’s Cambodia.
I’m not quite sure if Saddam should make this list.
Mark
Ottawa
If “the blogosphere is imploding”, will it take Dawg with it on the way? Please?
This was a stirring rebuttal, however I don’t think this amount of reason was needed to discount Johnston’s ignorant mewlings…all he really put on display was his ignorance and the fact the UofW Poli-Sci dept. is adept at producing ignoramus liberal butt-snorkelers.
The smirk will leave Johnston’s mug when the final bitch-slap occurs…namely the taxpaying people of Waterloo put a conservative in the seat.
Now that would make a good article for Imprint! “Local politics student runs Liberal campaign – loses to conservative – claims vote rigging and US influence – etc ”
“If ‘the blogosphere is imploding’, will it take Dawg with it on the way? Please?”
“Imploding,” Kathy. Which would, among other things, bring me closer to you. Ouch! I’ll have to reconsider my choice of metaphor. 🙂
The more things change the more they stay the same. Twenty years ago I did a degree in Poli Sci., all that Marxist/Socialist thought and hate spewing crap that 70% of the professors encouraged was mind boggling then and it appears to be worse now. I even knew of a few professors that were “armed for the revolution” – they claimed to be Trotskyites.
On a postive note – Mark Johnson won’t likely get a job with that liberal arts degree and will end up at a local tech college so that he can get a real job. I hope, like me, he has tons of student loans which he can’t pay with that minimum wage part-time job at McDonalds. The error of his ways will become evident very quickly when the real world kicks him in the groin.
Bitchslapped and Bankrupt!!!
Yes, I said imploding because you said imploding, ditz. WHAT is your problem now??
Whatupdawg
How about lose the metaphor and understand the blogoshere is not imploding but expanding and putting to rest dumb lefty arguments exposing the lefts corrupt ideologies and intrinsic weakness. Your world may be imploding the rights is growing.
“Yes, I said imploding because you said imploding, ditz. WHAT is your problem now??”
Well, Kathy, it’s a matter of the meaning of words. Your original post asked rhetorically that, if the blogosphere were imploding, could it please take me with it. I responded, reasonably enough, that implosion means I would not be taken away, but, rather, brought into closer proximity to you and your friends.
As noted, I’ll avoid the metaphor in future. It would do us both good to avoid this particular image.
Dr.Dawg: Touch�.
Mark
Ottawa
You mean if we imploded we would all be sharing our DNA together/as one? Yeeew!
De Dawg; You should hold that thought. Should your need for habilitation be recognised, you would do far worse than to seek guidance from mentors such as “Relapsed Catholic”. However, my sympathies will be with Ms Shaidle, as your overweening self-regard probably militates against regular improvement. Lack of educational attainment and self aggrandisement via unearned academic qualification need not prevent you from acquiring a modicum of knowledge sufficient to comprehend the vacuous nature of progressives, socialists, and other soi-disent gaucheries.
Cheers
Redux, your term Ignoramus Liberal Butt-Snorkeler is a winner. Wow!
You say the U of W produces this catagory of citizen and you could be, for the most part, correct.
Most of these I.L.B. Snorkelers will have learned how to compare, weigh, evaluate, anlyize and in general think.
It follows then that many snorkelers will see the light and morph into clear thinking conservatives.
I do agree that all Canadian educators are too heavily weighted to the left. Must be out of loyalty to the Union and the gravy-train it provides. 73s TG
Dawg, since you’ve admitted you struggle with them so, why not just avoid using metaphors altogether? Leave the weilding of same to those of use who know how to use them.
You know: the award-winning professional writers/poets/authors who write, online and off, _using our real names_. Not poseurs like you.
(Three-che, Mark.)
Kathy Shaidle: Just got it. Very good indeed but one wonders about the propriety.
Mark
Ottawa
Well, Dawggie, I’m afraid you’ve got these conservaties whacking you with the rolled-up newspapers of decently-composed arguments. Guess you should be more careful upon whose lawns you choose to deposit your little brown nuggets of try-to-get-the-righties failed-but-laudable arguments. You see, we awful right-wing knuckledraggers CAN kick the furry butts of the best of the lefty mutts… 🙂
If it’s not too late (given the lifespan of threads, it’s not always easy for an internet novice like me to be certain), I’d like to express my thanks to Mr. Terron for his eloquent and stirring response to the obnoxious nonsense that Mark Johnson was spouting. It delighted me as well to see that David plans to become a teacher – people of his caliber are just what the profession desperately needs, especially now.
Thank you.
My, what a pleasant lot the Right is.
Kathy, how about simply getting a new bowl of cornflaks, huh? Amazing how Xianity brings out the loving qualities in people.
You could avoid problems in future simply by looking words up instead of missing the point so splendidly, and then attempting to recover by being insulting. I am actually very comfortably “weilding” metaphors. Too bad you missed the import of the one I actually “weilded.”
Heinrichs, your post bears all the hallmarks of the autodidact. Please to not hesitate to be in touch for some handy pointers about use of language. Hint: yours is a bit quaintly phrased, like the patriarch’s pronouncements in a bad Victorial novel. You might want to work on more idiomatic usage. This is the Internet, after all.
McAllister, are they all as bright as you back home? As usual, your comments are, well, of a somewhat gooey consistency. Since I was not arguing (for once) with the substance of Mark’s comments as quoted, your allegation to the effect that I have been out-argued is hallucinatory. There was no argument.
OK, folks. Back to your echo-chamber. My work is done here. 🙂
OK, I should never joke about spelling errors on the Internet. That sort of thing comes back to bite you, and in my case it was a hat-trick.
That’s “cornflakes,” although “cornflaks” does have a ring to it. And, Heinrichs, I’ve flubbed your very first lesson. “Please do not hesitate….” And “Victorian.” Sigh. Sin of pride and all. Consider me humbled, at least for a nanosecond.
Have a good weekend, all. I know I will.
Wag, wag
Get the stick boy… get the stick!