DURING a two-month undercover investigation The Sunday Times has amassed hours of taped evidence and pages of transcripts which show how Bakri and his acolytes promote hatred of �non-believers� and �egg� their followers on to commit acts of violence, including suicide bombings.
The evidence details how his group, the Saviour Sect, preaches a racist creed of Muslim supremacy which, in the words of Bakri, aims at one day �flying the Islamic flag over Downing Street�.
In his two months with the sect, our reporter witnessed a gang of Bakri�s followers brutally beating up a Muslim who challenged their views. He listened as a succession of �religious leaders� ridiculed moderate Muslims and repeatedly justified war against the �kuffar� � non-Muslims.
He discovered that the core of the group consisted of about 40 young men guided by a handful of spiritual mentors. Many are of Bangladeshi origin, jobless and living in council flats in east London. They use aliases, taking the names of the prophet Muhammad�s companions.
At their meetings � which often included school-age teenagers � they were fed a constant diet of propaganda warning that the kuffar are out to destroy them.
Integration with British society is scorned, as is any form of democratic process. Followers are encouraged to exploit the benefits system. They avoid jobs which could bring them into contact with western women or might lead them to contribute to the economy of a nation they are taught to despise.
In regular lectures and sermons it is instilled into them that Islam is a religion of violence. While publicly they did not defend the London attacks, they speak differently in private.
See also: “It�s almost treason, by George” [Galloway]
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-1724085,00.html
Mark
Ottawa
What I found interesting was the idea of avoiding working so as to avoid contact with Western women and to not support the system. If the Brits decide that working is good and sucking off the government teat is the mark of a Muslim terrorist, well, who knows where that will lead.
Know your enemy is an old axiom of war. Here is a tactic used by the Islamists.
Islamists use the tactic of taqiya or taqqiyah, which is lying; yes, liars they are. Beware the lying Islamists: they view you as an infidel, worthy of death.>>
TAQIYA
Taqiya, or not showing their faith openly by means of pretense, dissimulation, or concealment, is a special type of LYING which is used by Shi’a Muslims. “Taqiya” (or taqiyyah) is related to the terms “taqwa'” and “taqi'” – all have the root meaning of “guarding” something, in this case, the Islamic faith.
This practice, along with the practice of Kithman, or concealing their faith from non-Shi’as, were, and are many places today, a method of self-preservation for the Shi’a community. Historically, the Shiites have been in the minority and have been persecuted by Sunni Muslims who considered them heretics. Shi’as are often persecuted today in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Sunni-Shi’a violence is fairly common. Sunnis would often attempt to force Shi’as to curse the House of Ali – believing that no devout Shiite could commit such an act. As a result of this persecution, the idea of Taqiya emerged. In other words, if a Shi’a Muslim’s life is in danger, he may lie as long as he holds true to Ali in his heart.
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Index/T/taqiya.html
An example of taqiya:
In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: �Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.�
In case there is any confusion about who is innocent:
After the attacks that claimed 52 lives, another key figure, Zachariah, justified them by saying that the victims were not �innocent� people because they did not abide by strict Islamic laws.
http://tinyurl.com/7qxop (timesonline)
It is treason Mark. Let’s call it what it is. maz2 quotes “Know your enemy is an old axiom of war.”
Both of these comments point directly to those traitors within our societies. They are most prominent in our governments, our media, our education system and our religions. Many are guests in our universities and colleges.
I hate war but I love warriors. If it is war these people want then they should prepare. Western democracies will be pushed only so far. Remember WWI and WWII. Once we got our acts together our enemies had no chance.
As for weapons of mass destruction, which everyone seems so afraid of these days, woe be to anyone who is stupid enough to attack the west with WMD. If they do we will witness the end of at least two more countries and probably three. And this time it will not be only the US, Britain and a few others who are doing the fighting. It will truly be a clash of civilizations. If that is what these bastards want then that is what they’ll get, in spades.
A final comment on Iraq. I believe that the US and England now realize what they did wrong in the Iraq war. If they had taken out a city or two who are now supporting the terrorists, there would be peace today. As with Dreadan, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there is a reason for acts like these in war.
In war the enemy must be defeated totally. No exceptions. To do this though, we must first recognize the enemy. That includes those within our midst.
John, I’m no expert on war, but I doubt that leveling a few cities would have resulted in peace arriving in Iraq in a more timely fashion. They import from all over – they’ve set up home in all of our countries. Would leveling London get rid of Bakri & his followers, and others of their ilk? Most definitely, but it would get rid of another 11,000,000 innocent people.
What sucks about this article is that, since the laws are not currently in place, the Brits will likely not be able to use any of the journalist’s tapes as evidence in court, unless they can somehow make it retroactive and get that past the bleeding hearts.
On the upside – wow, investigative journalism is not yet dead! That’s good news.
On the downside, I wonder what the life expectancy is for said journalist now that he’s published.
It is true that victory can only be achieved after an enemy has been beaten into submission. However, in today’s politically correct atmosphere this will not happen. The end result will be a prolonged conflict. As long as the shackles of political correctness bind us, enemies within our societies will continue to use democracy to their own advantage. The time to wake up is NOW.
Candace. Terrorists need support. If they act alone they become gangs and can be dealt with. When they have the support of either of three things – family, community, state – they become more than a gang. They become an organization. This is what we’re dealing with, an organization with support that wishes to destroy us all. Kill the support and you kill the organization.
The people in these cities (the strongholds of Saddam Hussein) are the same people who were torturing and killing 60,000+ of their own people yearly for Saddam Hussein. These are also the same people who rejoiced as innocent victims, from many nations, were jumping out of windows to their death on 9-11.
As for political correctness, watch it die along with multiculturalism as more and more terrorist attacks kill more and more innocent victims. People will only take so much and then there will be a vicious and powerful backlash. If our leaders will not act then we will.
I believe we need a manifesto, a public declaration of intentions, for this war on terrorism. If we don’t get serious you are probably right that this war will go on for many years. If it does then I fear for our society and our future.
Anyone wondering whether the deported hatemongerers will find refuge in Canada? And will we know if they do? When you see pics of these kids being trained how to hate anything non-Islamic, the rocking back and forth, in western society at least, would be considered symptoms of brainwashing and anxiety. I’m surprised the UN hasn’t got a shrink on board to denounce such practices for what they are doing to these kids.
Left the Left: Apropos? Yes.>>>
I still fight oppression
The liberals who say I have deserted the left should ask themselves where they stand on Islamism
Nick Cohen
Sunday August 7, 2005
Observer
Read at:
http://www.rapp.org/url/?JSN5YCJG
I believe that Blair will make public all countries he’s reached agreement with for accepting these people. Canada better not be among them.
Too bad though. That’s just exporting the problem, not solving it. What needs to be done, in my opinion, is to pass some laws that will imprison these bastards for at least 20 years in a little room with no window and no connection to the outside world. Preaching hate and counseling others to kill should be met with a very harsh jail term. If it can be proven that they participated in any act of terrorism they should be executed.
As for the UN, it is being run by countries that are the supporters of these ‘kids’. At least the Security Council is. Just look at the membership.
Sir Winston Churchill: “The River War”.
Against the Mahdi in the Sudan: marvellous prose from a participant…. Churchill.
Also read Churchill’s praise of the individual warriors. (Att: John Crittenden).
Yes, Churchill knew his enemies: “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.” This holds today. To arms: the enemy is within and without. Death to the Islamist murderers. Let the message go out across the blogosphere/internet.
Project Gutenberg Edition of The River War
http://www.rapp.org/url/?GVVXJ84S
“The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”
maz2, I hold out no hope for Germany. They failed too many times in the past confronting various ‘isms’. They are failing today against terrorism and fanatical islamisim. I have no doubt that America will have to cross the pond, from the other side of the world, to save them again one day. This time it will be easier however. This is interesting reading by German publisher Mathias D�pfner today:
Europe�s cowardice in the face of enemy fire
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1723842,00.html
Yes, I too have great respect for Churchill. Never underestimate the English however. When needed, they will find another Churchill.
Never ceases to amaze me that those who are so offended by us ‘kuffar’ types don’t just kuff*ckoff back to their homelands. Oh, yeah. Forgot about the council flats and the welfare cheques…
“AQ launches magazine openly- people should be paying attention to their intentions-this is not a drill.” newsbeat 1.com
This is not a drill!!!!!!!! The killing of innocent people does not disturb them! No; because Islamists will kill the infidels, meaning anyone who will not submit to them; even if one submits, they will kill: you and your children.
Mark his words: “This is a war between the believers and the non-believers.”
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Tempo: But Al Qaeda kills innocent people who are on their way to work. Doesn’t the killing of innocent people disturb you?
Kaide: No, it does not. I do not consider those killed in the London attacks as innocent. Because those people paid taxes to the English government and elected Blair who is responsible for the killing of thousands of Muslims. Do they make that differentiation when innocent people are killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? […] When America kills it is called ‘[collateral] war damage’… Westerners started to rethink after London bombings. They are asking “what did we do wrong?” That means terrorism is not always harmful. There are benefits to terrorism too.
Tempo: Will these attacks be followed by more attacks, according to you?
Kaide: This fire was set by the infidels and not the Muslims. […] Every day our children and our women are dying under the U.S. bombs. […] Here, I am openly declaring this: As long as the suffering continues in the Islamic world, attacks against the Western capitals will increasingly continue. The Westerners will have much more of the taste of the pain the Muslims endure. We as IBDA see Iraq’s occupation by America as the Third World War. This is a war between the believers and the non-believers. Salih Mirzabeyoglu, Osama bin Laden, Shamil Basayev, Mullah Omar and Zarqawi are the honorable commanders of this holy war. We believe that these leaders will carry the world to more peaceful and happy days.
Read the rest here:
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD95105
MEMRI is a site to watch/read!!!!!!!
Mexico is targeted.>>>>>>>>
Tempo: Kaide magazine claims that Marcos, the leader of the Mexican Zapatistas, has converted to Islam. What is the basis of your claim?
Kaide: We have many proofs about Marcos becoming a Muslim. In the coming days we will make those known. Let me say just this: Marcos is a professor of linguistics. Upon his request our friends have provided him with some of the books written by Salih Mirzabeyoglu. We are in contact with Marcos. The public must prepare for surprising developments regarding Marcos, the brave commander of the Zapatistas, after Carlos ‘the Jackal’.
The Threat From Within Is Real!
Link from: LGF : to: Independent UK:
http://www.rapp.org/url/?PILHOOUM
sunday, august 07, 2005
“Every One of Them Knows How to Use an AK-47”
Britain has a problem�a huge problem that has been growing for decades, while British authorities worshipped at the altars of unrestricted immigration and willfully blind multiculturalism: Intelligence chiefs warn Blair of home-grown �insurgency�.
Intelligence chiefs are warning Tony Blair that Britain faces a full-blown Islamist insurgency, sustained by thousands of young Muslim men with military training now resident in this country.
The grim possibility that the two London attacks were not simply a sporadic terror campaign is being discussed at the highest levels in Whitehall. Fears of a third strike remain high this weekend, based on concrete evidence supplied by an intercepted text message and the interrogation of a terror suspect being held outside Britain, say US reports.
As police and the security services work to prevent another cell murdering civilians, attention is focusing on the pool of migrants to this country from the Horn of Africa and central Asia. MI5 is working to an estimate that more than 10,000 young men from these regions have had at least basic training in light weapons and military explosives.
A well-connected source said there were more than 100,000 people in Britain from �completely militarised� regions, including Somalia and its neighbours in the Horn of Africa, and Afghanistan and territories bordering the country. �Every one of them knows how to use an AK-47,� said the source. �About 10 per cent can strip and reassemble such a weapon blindfolded, and probably a similar proportion have some knowledge of how to use military explosives. That adds up to tens of thousands of men.�
I believe Canada should deport any immigrant who preaches hate, just like Britain is now going to do. Nothing racist about that. After all, we did deport, what was his name, Ernst Zundel, didn’t we? And if they’re not deportable to any particular country, then indefinitely incarcerate them as a threat to national security.
Won’t happen anytime soon. There’ll first have to be a war or something to get the populace in the mood, plus the gov’t, to be able to stomach such political incorrectness.
This is refreshing: ” Preachers of hate could be charged with treason”, Daily Telegraph, August 8:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=0ELYY05VAVLMNQFIQMFCM5OAVCBQYJVC?xml=/news/2005/08/08/nextrem08.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/08/08/ixnewstop.html
Excerpts:
‘Islamic extremists who incite violence or praise suicide attacks in Britain could face charges of treason, it emerged yesterday.
The head of the anti-terrorism department at the Crown Prosecution Service will meet senior officers at Scotland Yard this week to discuss what charges could be brought against preachers whose endorsement of the suicide attacks could incite further acts of terrorism…
The charges the Crown Prosecution Service will consider include the offences of treason, incitement to treason, solicitation of murder and incitement to withhold information known to be of use to police. These offences include attacks made against British interests abroad as well as at home.
The charges can be brought against foreign nationals resident in Britain as well as British citizens. A proposed offence of condoning or glorifying terrorism has not yet come into effect.
Aware of possible prosecution, radical Islamic groups are usually careful about what they print or say in public. But in recent days several have made clear their support for suicide attackers…’
Mark
Ottawa
Where is MinDefCan Willy Graham? Having a danish for brekky, Willy? “… and dying…” Dying for what, Willy? Tell us, Willy; you are MinDef.
Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Canadian soldiers can expect to be in Afghanistan for the next 20 years, fighting, killing and dying, one of Canada’s top generals says.
“Afghanistan is a 20-year venture,” Major-Gen.Andrew Leslie told the annual Couchiching Summer Conference yesterday.
Leslie warned that the war-torn country is going to need a long-term commitment from Canada to help it “break out of the cycle of warlords and tribalism.”
And the results will be worth the cost, both in blood and time, he promised attendees of the conference in Orillia, on the shore of Lake Couchiching.
“There are things worth fighting for. There are things worth dying for. There are things worth killing for,” Leslie told the conference. “Your soldiers have done all three of those activities in the last 50 years.
“More of that activity is about to take place,” he said, warning of “predators … who wish to kill those whom we are charged to protect.
http://www.metronews.ca/news_detail.asp?id=10025
Poor bastards will probably still be using Sea Kings 20 years from now. With the Librano$ soon to become the Ruling Party for Life, not a chance our guys will get much in the way of new spending. This new $3 billion in overtaxation the government just announced for the first few months of this fiscal year, ought to go directly to ensuring better/newer equipment. Wait for big spending announcements to diddle regional interests/buy votes. And any delay on the part of Justice Gomery could well trigger a snap election as just happened in Japan, which also has a corrupt Ruling Party for Life.
Bakri has er, decided to leave the UK for an er, extended visit to “family and friends” in Lebanon.
Well, nice to see that Tony Blair has finally taken some steps against the insane plague of Islamist extremists. Now if only our Gliberal leaders in Ottawa could stop rotating on their politically correct thumbs and follow suit…..
I suppose that may be too much to hope for though. More likely, the Glibs, based on their sorry record, will be welcoming this trash from the UK and treating them as oppressed refugees.