Cultural Divesity At The Fringe

82 Replies to “Cultural Divesity At The Fringe”

1. >>>Where did you make the statement about race??
   >>”they could be First Nation’s run residential schools, in co-operation with Family Services.”
   >Oh.. you mean First Nation’s run schools that also take in black kids, right? Uh Huh… Right, Kate.
   Very good. Now wer’e getting somewhere .-
   You’ve just suggested that First Nations counsellors are incapable of fashioning a program to suit the specific needs of a black student.
   That, Ian, is a classic example of racism.
   I suggested First Nations involvement, because that the vast majority of children under family services protection are First Nations is fact. In this part of the country, that almost always means a government-funded First Nations run facility.
   You _really_ don’t know much about the prairies, do you?

2. The people who throw around the “R” word are always the ones who run away from any solution, and who promote all manner of denial of personal accountability. It’s always someone else’s fault.
   Well, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t bring up the same tired cliches about what Whitey has done to aboriginals, and then immediately scream racism when solutions are explored in the interest of helping aboriginal children.
   Ian, what do you suggest be done about violent gangs who use race as the basis for admission, and who stab and beat strangers in the avowed name of their own racial strength? If you have ever spent time in Regina and Saskatoon, you will know that there are undeniably really, really bad problems in the aboriginal communities there.
   I understand that you’re pissed at Kate, and that you are personally emboldened, by the suffering of the downtrodden, to be their spokesman, but what do YOU suggest be done about those young aboriginal children wandering the streets after dark? What would you do about ten year old child prostitutes living with violent alcoholics? When Kate floats the idea of some kind of safehouse to rescue these kids, you go apeshit. Why? And don’t give us more accusations against other people, tell us what YOUR solutions are.

3. I agree with you Mark. Ideologies about residential schools are pretty sick too.
   Goddamned sanctimonious, are we Kate?
   Pffft.
   Yeah Kate, I’m QUITE familiar with problems with youth from a variety of backgrounds. I’ve fucking worked with them, Kate. Have you? Don’t fucking call me sanctimonious.. if you goddamned CARE so much, like you say, how about going out and doing some volunteer work? Don’t give me this goddamned sanctimonious shit. Yeah, sometimes I should reread before clicking send.. You should go look in your mirror while you’re going on about how much you “care.”
   I sure as hell don’t have to tell you what I DO and HAVE DONE in regard to many problems.. what the fuck are YOU actualing DOING other than writing in your blog?
   Sanctimonious my ass..
   And to have the bloody nerve to ask, “Where did I specify race?”
   Pretend all you want you weren’t referring to First Nations, Kate.
   Sanctimonious.. the woman that believes in the draft (because it will make young men into the “fine” objects that Kate thinks they should be), now admits to believing in the residential school system…
   And tries to pretend she didn’t mention “race.”
   Pathetic.
   Seeya later.. I’m not commenting anymore here. So ignore it, save your breath and typing finger muscles for another one of your own “sanctimonious” commenters or native issues that you “care” so much about.

4. Still scanning your posts for any solutions, Ian.

5. “there are more white girls as prostitutes in Toronto than black girls”
   Err…didn’t we just cover this like a few hours ago?
   Ian: THERE ARE MORE WHITE GIRLS THAN BLACK GIRLS IN TORONTO THEREFORE IT IS ENTIRELY UNSURPRISING THAT THERE ARE MORE WHITE HOS THAN BLACK HOS WHY EVEN FUCKING MENTION THIS DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH.
   “Oh, you do know that white boys have had guns removed from them at the age of 12, huh? And black boys in Toronto.”
   Yeah, but unless you are a VERY STUPID MAN WITH ZERO REASONING SKILLS this very trivial piece of knowledge proves nothing and only serves to waste kilobytes and…err..obfuscate and…err…fuzzify the debate. Just like I predicted a few hours ago.
   Under normal circumstances I wouldn’t mind you and your kind being such stupid assholes Ian but this political correctness business is getting to be a bit of a National Security issue, you see, and I’m afraid I’m going to have to engage you and your kind more vigorously to save my country.

6. Ian Scott: I am unsettled that you say you agree with me. Do answer the inferences from the matters I raised. Surely it is pointless, and indeed stupid, to villify persons on this site instead of trying to consider the issues.
   Such as 40 years of failed federal policies.
   And why the need for vulgarity? Kate sometimes uses it, but in my experience for literary effect rather than as a subsitute for argument.
   As a total aside, in Ottawa we have an all-sports radio station (The Team 1200) that, when not doing its own programming, relies on Fox Sports Radio (used to carry ESPN radio). FSR is the worst broadcasting I have ever heard. I have chosen to listen, when desperate, to anything on the CBC instead when I cannot pick up WFAN NY, or 1000 Chicago. Now that’s bad.
   Mark
   Ottawa

7. Premiers agree to 10-year plan to eradicate aboriginal poverty
   CALGARY (CP) – Canada’s premiers agreed Tuesday to support a 10-year plan that aims to eliminate aboriginal poverty and right historic wrongs…
   >>>>> Librano$ not at the table? Right wrongs? More free taxes? 10-year plan? Uh-huh.

8. This seems to be one of the few “Aboriginal” topics on SDA that has got much in the way of comments. If Ian is bothering to read any of these comments after his threat to leave then I’d recommend he contrast Kate with someone like myself. Kate posts about aboriginal issues because she still cares about the subject and reads up on the subject. Me, on the other hand, I’ve never commented on any of the “aboriginal” topicsbecause I’ve GIVEN UP ON THE NATIVES! I really just don’t care anymore! I think that’s probably why many of the other SDA readers don’t comment on those posts either. I’m not proud of my attitude towards natives, I mean as a Canadian I really should have some more compassion towards those who are abused and desparately poor, but I just can’t muster any respect for a people that blame ME for all their problems because I’ve got white skin, and then WON’T LET me help them when I want to. NATIVES NEED TO BE ASSIMILATED INTO WESTERN VALUES AND CULTURE. That’s the only way they’ll ever get out of the mess they’re in.
   –Bacardi Breezer. (Bite me if you don’t like it!)

9. “The great mistake has been the creation of an industry/bureaucracy that pretends–to its great profit–to deal with the problems on the basis of ever-expanding principles rather than actually coming up with practical efforts to help the people who are suffering.”
   Indeed. Solving the problem would put too many people out of work. Talk about a conflict of interest.

10. I’m really curious… other than a vague reference in the Star Phoenix about a couple of Fringe-goers having been swarmed, I haven’t been able to find any media reports of buskers being robbed or of Indian Posse involvement… where did this info come from?

11. We need to figure out why serial killing is primarily a white man’s activity…
    Read the literature and you’ll find out. Serial killing is generally the product of societies rich enough to create a lower middle class – the strata from which the majority of serial killers spring – with lesser social cohesion, and it generally occurs in guys from fractured/non-traditional families. Most of the societies you find these conditions in are in NA or Europe. Hence, more white serial killers. Unlike black/native gangs, race is pretty indicental to the phenomenon.

12. Glen, you seldom see overt references to aboriginal gang involvement in media reports on crime. It’s always just a “homocide” or “stabbing”, or “home invasion” without particulars.
    However, it’s a common topic on local talk radio, which is what was the basis for the original post.
    That’s when the calls come in from people in the community and you find out the backstory of events, along with the ones that have gone completely unreported.
    I also think there may have been some senstivity to the swarmings at the Fringe, out of concern that it would affect attendance, but that’s just my guess – perhaps they’ll cover it later.

13. (BTW – to correct part of an earlier comment, the treatment center I referenced is a provincially funded Metis Addictions and not limited to Metis patients.)

14. “Glen, you seldom see overt references to aboriginal gang involvement in media reports on crime. It’s always just a “homocide” or “stabbing”, or “home invasion” without particulars.”
    Journalists generally try to avoid reporting on the race of offenders.

15. The race isn’t important – the gang angle is, imo. They have little problem reporting on Hells Angel’s crime, but the very fact that the aboriginal gangs attach race to their identity gives them media PC cover.

16. I would just be happy if the media would give us ALL the facts (including race/religion) and allow us to come to our own conclusions about what is going on.

17. Just read the above posts. Whew! Hot topic on a hot day!
    To put it in a nutshell, for me, race must be treated as irrelevant. Everyone must have identical rights and responsibilities. Expectations must not be raised or lowered for anyone on the basis of race. The state must not discriminate either against or in favor of anyone on the basis of race. The state must ensure that all citizens have equal access to the economic and social aspects of Canada and not be coerced into remaining segregated in any way, shape or form due to race.
    Unfortunately, the Liberal Party of Canada does NOT adhere to any of the above principles, in my opinion. I see nothing but discrimination all over the place, both favorable and unfavorable, on the basis of all kinds of things that don’t matter at all, like race. This is why Aboriginals remain segregated, generation after generation, on “reservations” in terrible third-world living conditions with all sorts of social ills and practically no economy. This despite the billions and billions of dollars transferred to the Aboriginal politicians. I want to know what exactly happens to those billions upon which the Aboriginal politicians get their hands. How much of it do they use to help ordinary Aboriginals? How much do they keep to enrich themselves? It’s a terrible reality. They refrain from criticizing the Liberals wrt the horrible living conditions on reservations so long as they, the leaders of the residents, get to do with the billions of non-Aboriginals’ dollars as they please, with NO ACCOUNTABILITY. Of course, they will say this is a racist thing to say. Of course, because it always hits hard to accuse anyone who disagrees or criticizes them wrt ANY issue at all of being racist. Mercredi, Coon Come and Fontaine all have done it. After all, they’re politicians, just like Chretien and Martin, so why expect them to be any different, any less corrupt, less greedy, less assholish?
    It’s the politicians, both nonAboriginal and Aboriginal and the MSM and the left in general who are responsible for the sad plight of our fellow citizens who simply happen to be of Native ancestry. They’re trapped by the morons who think they should be treated differently because of their race, and unfortunately, this treatment is deemed “politically correct” and anyone who says anything about it gets branded “racist”. This is wrong. Very wrong. I wish all people could understand that. Kate certainly understands, and isn’t afraid to show she cares. On the other hand, people like Mr. Scott unfortunately are blinded by an arrogant, false confidence that they are right, borne of being told by gov’t and the MSM and their friends that it’s the right thing to think and say. They won’t think for themselves. Pity. Meanwhile, Aboriginals continue to suffer from state-enforced inequality.
    I therefore condemn the left wing in general, including the federal government and MSM, for their discrimination.

18. This topic and the heated jousting was very valuable to me. I admit to not knowing the full picture filled out here.
    My sister worked as a councellor in the Q’uepelle Valley for a few years, yet she never clued me in like this fracas did.
    Seems to me there is endless evidence that the Indian affairs gang certainly do not deserve their annual government bonuses.
    These conditions provide the breeding grounds for enraged youth to morph into the bandana masked terrorists we are bound to see more of on our TV screens.
    The Libranos are criminally neglegent in not addressing these riots in the making.
    Million dollar studies sit on shelves gathering dust, while Martinites lavish riches upon Ontario and Quebec voting blocs. There will be a price to pay. 73s TG

19. “They’re trapped by the morons who think they should be treated differently because of their race, and unfortunately, this treatment is deemed “politically correct” and anyone who says anything about it gets branded “racist”. This is wrong. Very wrong. I wish all people could understand that.”
    So “race-based rights” are bad.. but “race-based policy”… like Kate has suggested… residential schools for Indian kids is good.
    Unbelievable.
    Yah. KKKate KKKares.

20. Virtually every government program involving Indians in Saskatchewan is “race based”. There are “race- based” drug treatment centers, “race based” penal institutions, “race-based” university. The federal, provincial and city governments have “race-based” hiring policies. Even sentencing in Canadian courts is “race- based” by edict of the Supreme Court.
    Adoption is “race-based”. It’s extremely difficult for anyone to adopt a First Nations child if they aren’t First Nations – and doubly so if that child happens to be bringing in government $$$ to a reserve council somewhere.
    Yet – to suggest that “race -based” boarding schools might help protect the hundreds of abandoned, abusedor out of control First Nations children who wander the streets from the time they are tiny tots, the pre-teens who are in the sex industry, drug addicted, who are the product of the cottage industry of baby-making that the welfare system here sets the wheels in motion – that makes a “racist” KKKatie.
    Well, then may I suggest a few other name changes. A short list: KKKIndian And Northern Affairs, SasKKKatchewan Community Resources and Employment, KKKFNUC, and the Supreme KKKourt Of Canada.

21. “Drugcop” deliberately left out the rest of my paragraph which he partially lifted:
    “…Kate certainly understands, and isn’t afraid to show she cares. On the other hand, people like Mr. Scott unfortunately are blinded by an arrogant, false confidence that they are right, borne of being told by gov’t and the MSM and their friends that it’s the right thing to think and say. They won’t think for themselves. Pity. Meanwhile, Aboriginals continue to suffer from state-enforced inequality.”
    So that’s the rest of what I wrote. Shame on “Drugcop” for twisting my words and selectively quoting them out of context to try to support his vicious defamation of Kate.
    People like Mr. Scott and “Drugcop” are two of the lefty morons who support state-sanctioned apartheid and won’t think at all for themselves and go around defaming good people. They must be Libranos.
    I would say to “Drugcop”: FucKKK Off, Drugcop. If anyone’s a KKK or whatever, it’s you. Have a nice day. Somewhere else.

22. How sad to see “Ian Scott” flounce off. By the way, I actually knew Ian Scott, and you’re no Ian Scott, pal. (Oh, I’ve wanted to use that line for years!) Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out. It might injure your boyfriend’s dick.
    Perhaps it will slowly sink in that, if you can’t stand the sight of natives being referred to as human beings accountable for their actions, this is not the place for you?

23. “Yet – to suggest that “race -based” boarding schools might help protect the hundreds of abandoned, abusedor out of control First Nations children”
    Yes.. and we all know how well “race-based boarding schools” worked out in the past.. don’t we KKKAte?
    But thanks for admitting that you are openly advocating for race-based social policy concering Aboriginal Children.
    I think the Human Rights Commission will be very interested in this indeed.
    Not to mention some of the native gangs in your neck of the woods.

24. I know what Drugcop is trying to do. I recognize his tactic. Typical left-wing extremist illogical defamation. He’s brainwashed; programmed by the Vast, Left-Wing Conspiracy headed by Supreme Overlord Paul Martin, to believe all that he is told. No wonder Drugcop cannot understand a damn thing. He simply parrots whatever his moonie brethren are saying.
    Drugcop, if your identity is discovered, you realize you could be the subject of a civil defamation suit? You really should halt what you’re trying to do to an innocent person. It is not nice to go around spreading vile, hurtful lies about good people just because you’re stupid and have no self-esteem and feel you need to cut others down so you can feel better for yourself. I strongly recommend that you back off and try to think about the folly and consequences of your antisocial, uncivilized actions.
    People are slowly shaking their heads at you, “Drugcop”.

25. “Drugcop” must be one of those fartheaded, masked left-wing extremist “protestors” who allow themselves to be recruited by agents and friends of the Librano$ who speak code words that have been planted into the heads of these dishevelled, unkempt, scruffy, shaggy, malodorous ruffian hooligan buffoons by the MSM as triggers to obey the state apparatus and do whatsoever it orders.
    These livestock moonbats can be seen on TV throwing rocks and molotov coctails at police, seen harrassing and beating people they’ve been told to hate by the state apparatus, as we’ve seen in Kristallnacht at Concordia. These people are the Western version of the suicide-murderous, believing-in-72-virgins pawns of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda et al. They obviously were indoctrinated from a very early age on whom to hate and whom to hurt in society. It’s a sad, terrible state for our civilization to be in. These individuals are very scary indeed.
    Woe Canadahar.

26. Drugcop is an idiot, that’s all that really needs to be said.

27. Why does DrugCop sound so much like Meaghan Walker Williams when she writes?

28. Kate McMillan admits that she drove a vehicle while stoned, endangering the lives of people, with reckless abandon and due concern for their safety.
    She ought to be locked up.
    She is a self-admitted criminal.

29. Prove it, “Drugcop” or shut up.

30. And, “Drugcop”, what is your real name? You are a coward to make these fulsome slurs without identifying yourself. You have no credibility, integrity or balls.
    Please leave and never return.
    Worthless pile of weasel excrement.

31. Here’s another message for “Drugcop” or Meaghan Walker Williams, an actual photographic representation of that moronic dumbass:
    http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/5566.html

32. Here’s another one for DC, aka MWW:
    http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/5385.html