The Western Standard poll that was a hot blog topic last week has caught the attention of the mainstream.
…and Drudge.
…and the Chinese – who, I’m thinking, would prefer to hash out future resource deals with Paul Martin and Maurice Strong’s “New Canada” than they would an independent West.
Just a hunch.
“splittism” – I like that. It has a nice, distinct ring to it, so as to separate (pardon the pun) ourselves from Quebec. I wonder if the Economist will pick it up in Europe?
I just checked – they missed it, natch.
Remember the good old days when Quebec’s threats to separate/secede/sovereignty associate would be met with howls of “we’ll send in the tanks”, “shoot the traitors”, “send back the bastards to France”, “let the army take care of it”? What fun! We laughed and laughed and laughed some more! Gee I miss those days…
I don’t remember those days. What part of the country did you live in at the time? Who said “shoot the traitors”?
Vive le Quebec libre! Who said dat?
Drop kick me through de gaulle posts of life.
I don’t know…. I kind of like the poll results on this page, fourth one down, better:
http://www.am770chqr.com/station/past_polls.cfm
Here’s the link to CTV’s story
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1123588600678_121
Their story does include a typical MSM spin in the final section:
“The [Western Standard] poll was conducted around Canada Day, between June 29 and July 5, 2005, when sentiment for federation was expected to have been running at its peak.”
can you imagine all the Librano$ on the street handing out flags with dead maple leafs on them before the next election?
I think they should be charged with littering after they all end up in the gutter after.
A lot of conservatives (not all) follow Abe Lincoln in believing that secession is wrong and preservation of a centralized union is right.
They consider seperatists to be traitors and lethal force an acceptable response to regional bids for freedom.
It is thrilling to watch the hotbed of Canadian conservatism, the west, grapple with conflicting ideas. The knee-jerk neoconservative response to secession doesn’t sound so attractive when one’s own region is considering seperation.
At some point conservative intellectuals will have to provide the movement with a coherent and hopefully, less violent, philosophical solution to the issue of secession. Or they can help themselves to the Libertarian position.
Funny, just last year the idea itself was being dismissed, on this site and others, and that it was so small it wasn’t even worth discussing. In a very short period of time, it has grown to a concern, even though there are those that still dismiss and minimize it, much like MSM is going to do with there own rigged polls in the next few days/weeks. These guys here have helped advance the cause a fair amount as well:
http://www.freedomradionetwork.ca/content/pastShows/index.htm
The momentum is growing, and by the next prov election, in AB, there could be a lot of chatter across the nation, maybe even the world.. 😉
Canada cannot be reconciled any more than Isreal/Pallestine. Largesse has kept us together to this point, but the well will eventually run dry and the guns will come out.
It’s an old story and it CAN happen here. Wait and see.
Bilingualism, multiculturalism are extraneous diseases that are hurrying it along.
When you consider how countries got to be countries in the first place .. you will understand why “many countries” within one border won’t work. Never has, never will.
Even when a country has only “same as” people, culture and language, they still want to whack their “different” neighbors upside the head every so often.
Got that? It’s not hard to understand and the eveidence is overwhelming.
By the end of this week there will be confident pronouncements from the usual quarters, including but not limited to the Globe, CBC, and Torstar:
They will remind us firstly, that the poll is invalid because it was commissioned by the Western Standard. The MSM may commission a couple of polls with “correctly worded questions” to refute this poll. We will then be told that westerners, with the exception of few complainers, are all good Canadians who would never pursue independance. Lastly, we will be told that perceived grievances are petty, selfish, and largely imaginary. And if there are any valid beefs that the best way to address them would be to elect a whole whack of liberals in the upcoming federal election.
Finally, and perhaps most aggravating, Ralph Klein will momentarily stir from his torpor and declare that the status quo is just ducky.
But none of this will change the facts.
Duke, your right, of course… and,
“eventually run dry and the guns will come out.”
That would be a big mistake on there part for a number of reasons, but the best/funniest would be to mobilize the “No war for Oil” rant. Can you imagine all the Librano faces being protested.
China would naturally prefer to deal with the Quebeckers in Ottawa, than with the proAmericans in Albortia. (They are not affected by the scandal at the United Nations, and nobody from Canada has been arrested yet).
They will need a base of operations in Alberta, and if we can find out where that is, we can flip it a couple of times, double the price to them, and they will still buy it anyway.
Because the Government of Canada will be involved, they will be required to publish all documents in both ‘Official Languages’- for that, we can sell them Gigatext.
I thought it was hilarious the way wild-eyed leftists insisted that this poll could not be trusted because of the connections between the polling firm and the magazine.
But it was just dandy for the MSM media to have relations with polling firms.
For a brief moment, I thought I was reading an ignorant conservative, as the logic is just the same as that employed by most of the cons in the comment section here.
Rob,
Thanks for your addition to my opine.
I must add that when I say ‘well’, I mean the bloated government coffers courtesey of over-taxation. As the wheel turns, eventually there will be recession and the payola will stop.
The West is not and never will be happy in this conglomerate of regional differences. The difference is that unlike the jejune quebecers we at least gave it a good go took our lumps like adults should, but enough is enough.
In this artifical country we ask “what can you do for me”, while pretending to be overly concerned for the welfare of everyone, everywhere else.
Conservative are actually not a lot better. They try to be as inoffensive as possible to get elected. They are only marginally to the right of the Liberals. Sadly, the numbers don’t exist to make that happen anyway. We have reached the dictatorial stage in Canadian politics. Not one likes to admit it, but is so.
Our paper Mache Prime Monster is a shallow little creep whose daddy told him he had to become the PM. He did what he was told and now he has no further instructions other than to … maintain the status quo. When was the last time you heard a good idea from the Liberals? Every idea they have amounts to stealing more tax dollars to give to whomever is the useful fool of the moment. Those recipients think that’s a great idea.
The only remedy for the “East infection” we suffer with, is a good vinegar douche in the form of a
western referendum on independence.
Might take two or three, but the chill of a reduced tax grab will get their attention.
“vinegar douche” – good one.
HAHAHA!!! That was great. You used snappy phrases and alliteration to call the other side rude names, which makes you right. Right?
“The only remedy for the “East infection” we suffer with, is a good vinegar douche”
LOL … Your to kind.. I’d get banned for what I have to say about them. Onward and upward, there’s not much further to go until we have that referendum on independence and blow this psychotic corrupted pop stand.
Not long after shovelling billions of dollars off the back of the truck to fund everything under the sun, it now looks like those Libranos are about to announce another gigantic budget surplus. Just wait till we conservatives get into power. We’ll put an end to all that, pronto.
Yes, absolutely. What a terrific job the Libs have done. I mean, all that shovelling, AND a surplus? Sounds like someone’s got a good thing going.
Yeah, it’s all good. A surplus is for shovelling, anyway. Right around election time.
China more interested in Maurice Strong and Quebec?
I doubt it, considering the Chinese are trying to get into the oilsands and build a pipeline to the west coast.
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Federal shakeup targets 41,000 jobs
New agency could eliminate duplication, save $4-billion, Treasury Board study says
By BILL CURRY
Wednesday, August 10, 2005 Updated at 4:31 AM EDT
From Wednesday’s Globe and Mail
Ottawa � Senior officials are in the final planning stages of a major shakeup of the federal public service that would see the elimination of thousands of jobs to produce up to $4-billion a year in savings, The Globe and Mail has learned.
A two-year study led by the Treasury Board has found at least 41,000 of the federal government’s roughly 290,000 employees are working in jobs that could be cut if the work was transferred to a single new agency using fewer staff, tentatively called the Shared Services Organization.
Did someone mention a federal slurplus? Lapierre says no bucks for security… magicians those Librano$$$$$$ are. The old quick change artist routine/ con men they are/ now you see the slurplus & now you don’t see the slurplus.
Lapierre is a separatist/Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$ slurper. Nooooo money, he says> hee haw.
Who can/will explain this flimflammery?$$$$$
Ottawa plans transit security
MONTREAL (CP) – The federal government will soon discuss special funding for transit system security cameras to help fight terrorists, Transport Minister Jean Lapierre said Tuesday, although there’s no money now to put the devices in place quickly
“Let’s Get While the Gettin’s Good”
http://www.albertarepublicans.org/craig01.htm
Duke, Now remember this is just mild mannered debate and so to answer your question, *what bright ideas have the libranos put forward?*.
During Paulie’s TV Grovel speech, he promised to install individual accounts and audits for each Ministry and govt. department.
That is a rock solid good idea and it will save us tons of revenue monies over time no matter who happens to be in Government.
Remember CSL is only one of dozens of businesses that Paulie has running at good profit in his *Family Group*.
The Liberals don’t have a death grip on Canada because they are stupid. However we have to get our act together to dump them and the Gomery Report is just one of several levers we can use.
Now about the separation of Alberta or the Western block of four. Simply not practical.
I and others have listed many concrete reasons why setting up additional borders within Canada would only provide loss and disadvantage.
No point in going several posts back to copy those to paste here. Suffice for the moment to see a list of the big gains Albertans will enjoy if seperated from Canada.
Albertan’s enjoy paying no sales tax presently. That would change on separation and more taxes would also be required to pay for all the government buildings, institutions and staffs that Canada provides at the moment.
Albertans live the highest quality life of any group anywhere. If the equalization figures were unknown, would there be any incentive to separate then?
Naw, it’s fun to get all excited about the possibility of the republic of Alberta, but it is more emotional than it is practical.
If Alberta had always be an independant country, there would be a vigorous movement to join Canada so as to raise the clout ratio from 1:100, up to the 10:100 ratio in matters of oil, water and cattle border conflicts with the USA. 73s TG
Actually Tony $0.39 of every dollar goes to taxes the repatriation of those dollars would more than offset any added costs incurred by separation. It is my understanding that the it costs $10 – $12 to make a barrel of Oil out of the oil sands. There is enough oil there to supply the world for the next 100 years. Alta. needs no one economically.
Well, if the West ever were to separate, I’d want in! It’d be nice to come home again! Hell, maybe I’ll mosey on back before that one of these days. Yah, I yearn, baby, do I ever yearn!
You’re from the west? A rural area by any chance?
Nope; I lived in Regina. Rural living does indeed have plenty of appeal, though.
Jeff Cosford at 2:13. It costs $10 – $12 to produce a barrel of CONVENTIONAL Crude oil. The oilsands players project $25/barrel for them to start producing a profit. That changes of course as natural gas prices fluctuate since most of their power and heat (and oilsands refining takes LOTS of both) comes from natural gas.