For those who cannot understand how it is that the big-government, nanny-state “liberal” left finds kinship with fundamentalist Islam and fascist dictators – an interview with poet Ali Ahmad Sa’id, who is known by the pseudonym “Adonis”;
Interviewer: “What are the reasons for growing glorification of dictatorships – sometimes in the name of pan-Arabism, and other times in the name of rejecting foreigners? The glorification comes even from the elites, as can be seen, for example, in the Saddam Hussein trial, and in all the people who support him.”
Adonis: “This phenomenon is very dangerous, and I believe it has to do with the concept of ‘oneness,’ which is reflected – in practical or political terms – in the concept of the hero, the savior, or the leader. This concept offers an inner sense of security to people who are afraid of freedom. Some human beings are afraid of freedom.”
Interviewer: “Because it is synonymous with anarchy?”
Adonis: “No, because being free is a great burden. It is by no means easy.”
Interviewer: “You’ve got to have a boss…”
Adonis: “When you are free, you have to face reality, the world in its entirety. You have to deal with the world’s problems, with everything…”
Interviewer: “With all the issues…”
Adonis: “On the other hand, if we are slaves, we can be content and not have to deal with anything. Just as Allah solves all our problems, the dictator will solve all our problems.”
[…]
“I don’t understand what is happening in Arab society today. I don’t know how to interpret this situation, except by making the following hypothesis: When I look at the Arab world, with all its resources, the capacities of Arab individuals, especially abroad – you will find among them great philosophers, scientists, engineers, and doctors. In other words, the Arab individual is no less smart, no less a genius, than anyone else in the world. He can excel – but only outside his society. I have nothing against the individuals – only against the institutions and the regimes.
“If I look at the Arabs, with all their resources and great capacities, and I compare what they have achieved over the past century with what others have achieved in that period, I would have to say that we Arabs are in a phase of extinction, in the sense that we have no creative presence in the world.”
Interviewer: “Are we on the brink of extinction, or are we already extinct?”
Adonis: “We have become extinct. We have the quantity. We have the masses of people, but a people becomes extinct when it no longer has a creative capacity, and the capacity to change its world.”
(Emphasis mine.)
The only portion that puzzles is why Ali Ahmad Sa’id doesn’t quite make the connection to “understand what is happening in Arab society today”. The two traits he mentions in the quote I selected (dependency on “higher” authority and lack of creativity) are not simply related – the latter is the expected consequence of the former.
The rest at Memri.
william Macdonell
I don’t remember numbers as high as you indicate. As my link indicates my numbers were from the Alberta government and the American government. If I remember correctly I believe the Alberta reserves were given to be about 700 billion barrels, while the American reserves were about 40 billion.
Re: dddkinnear’s “And what follows are my comments about all of this, especialy the dangers of the powerful Jewish lobby in Canada -”
Oh Jeesh!! The Jewish Conspiracy thing again!
I suppose you would be a lot happier if that powerful minority you keep alluding to were
not Jewish, but instead let’s say for arguments sake, Imams or Mullahs, or Third Reichists, or …
oh the hell with it, why don’t you just tell us???
No, I wish there was more balance to the media control in Canada AND the USA. And if the Jewish cultural groups can have direct access to the prime minister then I think Canada’s other cultural groups should as well….especially anglo/saxon/celts who are doing most of the dying over there, who have NO control in Canada’s media, and who do not even have an organized lobby group. We certainly need one.
And in case you want to know, I’m equally pissed that the land of my heritage and ancestry has become a dangerous place to visit, especially since the bombings in London. I don’t like the extremists suicide bombers any more than you do? All I am saying is what is making them do this??? These people are just as intelligent as the rest of the world, if not more so. They educate amazingly brilliant Muslim doctors and scientists and engineers….But, that is not the point I am trying to make here….It’s about the dangerous combination of powerful Jewish lobbiests and their massive media control. That’s all.
ddd
I didn’t say “it’s okay to be able to blast away at Muslims…you did.
You said, “They’re not called racists, but I am, when I am neutral, standing outside of this conflict.” You hardly sound neutral.
I guess if this is an issue that you feel passionately about, then lobby, protest, do whetever you have to do. As long as you continue to frame the discussion in “Jewish terms”, I think you are going to meet resistance in western societies because of the holocaust. (Your message would be better received in Tehran these days. When the fellows in the uniforms come to take you away down the Jim Keegstra road to the Ernst Zundel highway and put you on a bus for a date in court, I’ll be there to say “I told you so”.
Daniel
William Macdonell,
Canada is a net exporter – it does import. Although a litle dated (2005) – here is some info from the US DOE.
Canada importing:
http://tinyurl.com/jygt3
US imports from Canada (they claim Canada is No 1):
http://tinyurl.com/f4y3d
US imports from Saudi:
http://tinyurl.com/ztyb9
For up to date source check:
http://tinyurl.com/7ldt
ddd,
who owns The Toronto Star and The Globe and Mail and CTV? The Aspers were always Liberal.
Name me one prominent Hollywood Jew who is not anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Jew. You are barking up the wrong tree. Israel is your friend in this battle, not your enemy. And you might want to take a look at history – whose side would you rather be on – the Jews side, or the other
Okay, anything we import barely registers on the map, and we are not considered an importer.
The reserves you mention are the proven reserves based on current recovery technologies, and includes the Athabasca region, it does not include the majority of the oilsands… or for that matter the majority of the “hard to get to” oil in other parts of the country, including Alberta.
Just because you play out a field with conventional reclimation, doesn’t mean it’s done paying yet. In Manitoba for example, there are extremely valuable leftovers, just waiting. I have friends making a killing at tie ins all over there.
Anyway, the long and short of it is we can provide oil for us, the yanks, the Chinese, and a few others for the next 150 years without breaking to much of a sweat, and they discover more all the time… there is not going to be a great rush to replace fossil fuels.
That’s not to say manufacturing and industry in general won’t be looking to lessen their costs, but for that industry weans itself off oil, the general population is going to get more and more addicted to it. In the end it will balance itself out, and Alberta will still make a shit load a dough.
Afghan Clerics Demand Convert Be Killed
AP ^ | March 23 2006 | DANIEL COONEY
Posted on 03/23/2006 1:23:54 PM PST by jmc1969
Senior Muslim clerics demanded Thursday that an Afghan man on trial for converting from Islam to Christianity be executed, warning that if the government caves in to Western pressure and frees him, they will incite people to “pull him into pieces.”
“Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die,” said cleric Abdul Raoulf, who is considered a moderate and was jailed three times for opposing the Taliban before the hard-line regime was ousted in 2001 +
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601873/posts
Very interesting discussion, perhaps I can offer some perspective from the “Huns”, Europe, Iraq and Iran.
As I recall from my foreign affairs readings Henry Kissinger, a fellow of Jewish extraction, once stated in respect of Iraq and Iran battling back in the 1980s: “It is too bad they both can’t lose.”
Recall the Iranians were prior to the big battles, in the grip of the Shah of Iran who was supported by US foreign policy. The secularist Iraq supported by the USSR. A lot of Cold War foreign policy contributed to the current morass that the Middle East finds itself in.
During the 1980s both sides contributed mightly in arms sales to the belligerents on either side of the Iran/Iraq conflict.
For a fuller discussion see here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War
If you scroll down the page you see Donald Rumsfeld gleefully shaking hands with Saddam Hussein.
The NY Times recorded the 1983 meeting as follows:
Donald Rumsfeld meeting Saddām on 19 December � 20 December 1983. Rumsfeld visited again on 24 March 1984; the same day the UN released a report that Iraq had used mustard and Tabun nerve gas against Iranian troops. The NY Times reported from Baghdad on 29 March 1984, that “American diplomats pronounce themselves satisfied with Iraq and the U.S., and suggest that normal diplomatic ties have been established in all but name.” NSA Archive Source
Kind of hypocritical of the US now to say Saddam was a bad guy when all the Cold War belligerents were flogging Iraq and Iran all the hardware they needed. So if people in the West are so gung ho, one also needs to take a long look in the mirror at the foreign policy one conducted and engaged in that in many respects are precursors to the present state of affairs.
So if Saddam was okay to do business with in 1983/84 even though he gassed the Iranians and Kurds, the only thing that made him a bad guy was the invasion of Kuwait? Suddenly, international law became a priority, when Saddam’s britches got too big. Hence Gulf War I, in 1990/91, in which they kept Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf on a short leash and hauled off the dogs before he waltzed into Bagdad. Meantime geopolitics took over, as the reason to leave this reasonable man Saddam in charge of Iraq was to act as a bulwark against Iranian fundamentalist Islam as promulgated by Khomeni and company.
When Saddam threatened to upset the “delicate geopolitical balance” he had to go; because he was no longer playing by the hegemonic rulebook if Saddam ever had one.
Now the old Cold War belligerents switched sides and you have the US now installing/supporting the Iraqi regime; whilst the Russsians,etc. now are flogging technology to the Iranians. Confused yet? Trouble is the Russians didn’t figure that the Iranian President Amahdinejad Whackjob would like to make the Holocaust occur even though he asserts it never happened.
Geopolitics as Gen. Lewis Mackenzie rightly observed has precisely nothing to do with morality. What it does have a lot to do with is control, money, power, who has it, who doesn’t and why.
The general rubric in times most recently passed is that as long as the bodies are not piling up on your doorstep one can conduct business.
Very ugly but true. The UN Iraq “Oil for Food” scandal would be a case in point.
The proposition that the parties involved in the Iraq/Iran morass are blameless is shortsighted and completely obviates the belligerents complicity in creating the situation in the first instance. While it is trite to blindly apportion blame to one side or the other it is an error both in logic and fact. In some senses they deserve each other.
Having said that, now that they are engaged, they unfortunately have to see it through as the colossal power vacuum created by initiating a full US withdrawal from Iraq would likely be even more catastrophic. The Iranians would likely just set up shop, sponsored by the Russians. Given the instability and provocative nature of the Iranian regime I don’t think I want to seem them brandishing nuclear weapons anytime soon.
Lastly, why the hell does Iran need nuclear technology at all when their energy needs are conclusively met by their vast and enormous oil and natural gas reserves? What possible pretext can Iran use to justify nuclear energy when it is sitting on the Bashehr gas fields?
There is much more at work here, given the proposed Iran, Pakistan, India pipeline. Pres. Bush recently recommended India for nuclear energy as he wants to ensure a cheap supply of conventional fuels for America, by reducing India’s need for conventional fuel in a post Cold War world.
I would hesitate to leap to simplistic conclusions about the moral veracity of one’s cause as the broad picture would call that modality into question.
However, having one’s family members on the wrong end of a bullet, IED, or suicide bomber immeasurably alters one’s perspective. Most would agree that they would want them to come back in one piece.
As an individual you sometimes find yourself placed in a situation, not of your making, but charged with resolving it. For those advocating a simple life, I would recommend the TV show of the same name, it has about the same depth.
Islam: The religion of the sword and Dr. Death. +
thursday, march 23, 2006
Doctor from the Dark Ages
Here�s today�s story of utter depravity: Insurgent doctor killed dozens of wounded soldiers.
And notice: Western media has morally neutered themselves so thoroughly that not even a doctor who murders wounded patients is called a �terrorist.�
When policemen, soldiers and officials in Kirkuk who were injured in insurgent attacks arrived in the emergency room of the hospital, they hoped their chances of surviving had gone up as doctors tended their wounds.
In fact, many of the wounded were almost certain to die because one of the doctors at the Republic Hospital was a member of an insurgent cell. Pretending to treat the injured men, he killed 43 of them by secretly administering lethal injections, a police inquiry has revealed.
�He was called Dr Louay and when the terrorists had failed to kill a policeman or a soldier he would finish them off,� Colonel Yadgar Shukir Abdullah Jaff, a senior Kirkuk police chief, told The Independent. �He gave them a high dosage of a medicine which increased their bleeding so they died from loss of blood.�
Dr Louay carried out his murder campaign over an eight to nine-month period, say police. He appeared to be a hard working assistant doctor who selflessly made himself available for work in any part of the hospital, which is the largest in Kirkuk.
He was particularly willing to assist in the emergency room. With 272 soldiers, policemen and civilians killed and 1,220 injured in insurgent attacks in Kirkuk in 2005, the doctors were rushed off their feet and glad of any help they could get. Nobody noticed how many patients were dying soon after being tended by their enthusiastic young colleague.
Dr Louay was finally arrested only after the leader of the cell to which he belonged, named Malla Yassin, was captured and confessed. �I was really shocked that a doctor and an educated men should do such a thing,� said Col Jaff. +
via LGF
To ex-liberal
You just made my point:
“whose side would you rather be on – the Jews side, or the other”
I don’t want to be on either side. I want Canada to remain neutral like it has been in the past. But with the powerful Jewish lobbies AND their control of the media Canada will be lead down a tragic path. That is unless a neutral government can form some kind of coalition to thwart the powerful Jewish lobby and unless anglo/saxon/celt Canadians become very wary of the fact that it is OUR boys and girls, be they American, British or Canadian, who are dying over there in that foreign Muslim/Jewish hate war.
You know, I talked to an American collegue today about the rescue of the three people in Iraq today. I showed him the Canadian ‘spin’ which would neither confirm or deny our involvement. I then showed him the American spin which indicated that ‘coalition’ forces were involved, which, I indicated to him, probably meant that Canadian forces were very involved. Do you know what he said to me? He said he wished the Americans had never gone into Iraq…that he knew Sadaam was a bad guy, but that Sadaam had NEVER DONE ANYTHING TO AMERICANS. This American collegue has always been an AVID SUPPORTER OF America’s involvement in Iraq. He basically came right out today and blamed the Jewish controlled American media for the events that put the USA in Iraq…. Believe me, this man is as Republican as you can get.
This is also the new trend in the USA. They are no longer so eager to be in Iraq. They don’t see oil as the issue; more and more are seeing the problem of massive Jewish lobbies and almost complete Jewish control of their media as a growing problem.
It’s really sad to see Americans come home in body bags. The massive majority are anglo/saxon/celts.
Yes, anglo/saxon/celts need to form a unified cultural group and we need to start informing one another about just who is doing the dying in the middle east. They’re not Japanese, Chinese, Indian, African, South American or Jews….Nope, they’re anglo/saxon/celts, and I believe we are being set up. We need lobbiests and a news source that speaks to us and for us.
dddkinnear:
You are advocating cultural polarization; hardly a recipe for a lasting peace.
A policy of constructive engagement will lead to a viable and durable peace. Blaming the Jews of the world is neither helpful nor constructive.
One needs to break through cultural impasses not erect them.
Hans: I heard there was a conference between Muslim and Jewish leaders in Spain recently. That is the only ray of light I have seen lately. I hope they continue with this. This conference should have continued on until they came to some kind of resolution of their differences. It did not last long enough.
I am not advocating cultural polarization (good term by the way). I am sorry if the rest of the world does not seem to understand that we need to start taking a hard look at just who is dying over there. These are problems for the middle east to solve….not we anglo/saxon/celts. I believe very strongly that we are being used. Have you not checked to see who controls our media???? It’s not us, not by a long shot….Whos controls China’s media? The French? Nope. Who controls India’s media. The Mexicans? Nope. Why is it that Jews control so much of the anglo/saxon/celt’s media throughout our world? And is it a coincidence that it is OUR anglo/saxon/celt boys and girls who are dying in the middle east??? I don’t think so.
dddkinnear: take your crap somewhere else.
dddkinnear, re: “That is unless a neutral government can form some kind of coalition to thwart the powerful Jewish lobby and unless anglo/saxon/celt Canadians become very wary of the fact that it is OUR boys and girls, be they American, British or Canadian, who are dying over there in that foreign Muslim/Jewish hate war.”
“…in that foreign Muslim/Jewish hate war”
The violence in Iraq and Afganistan is almost exclusively the result of extremist Islamics who hate any culture that is different than their warped fundamentalist extremist version of Islam.
These medieval thugs/nutbars have vowed to kill any westerners at any opportunity they get simply because the feel it advances their goal towards acheiving a world-wide Muslim society. Just how you manage to stretch that situation into ‘that foreign Muslim/Jewish hate war’ is beyond reason.
Joe Canuck:
I have travelled the world and seen poverty and poor education systems everywhere. We are so lucky to have been born in the west. I don’t have the answers, and of course I abhor the violent extremism of the mideast. But, having travelled to this region decades ago, the only difference between then and now is the availability of weapons. The real hate of that region was always against Israel. I remember that students with us always had to get new passports issued if they had ever visited Israel. Everyone else was safe. It is still the core of the issue, and to wander from that is a mistake.
I wish we could be the middlemen, and broker a solution. Canada is in the best position to do this, but will not be able to do so should we choose sides.
You don’t seem to think there is a peaceful solution. I have been to that region, and I believe there is a peaceful solution. The meeting between Muslim and Jewish clerics recently is a start.
In addition, the entire Muslim world must bear the bulk of the responsibility for what is happening in the middle east. The region is swimming in oil, yet most of the people live in terrible poverty. Muslims are best suited to reach out to other Muslims, especially the terrorists and extremists and fundamentalists, and get these people to neutral ground. Adressing poverty and education issues may go a long way to solving the problem, but it’s up to Muslims to take the lead, not us.
The military solution in Iraq is proving to be another Vietnam, sadly. I know you all hate Kinsella, but did you read his post about his trip to the USA? I really feel sorry for our American friends.
You cannot imagine how much respect Canadians have in the world. The way the world views us is so different from the way they view Americans, and I am not sure why. But this makes us one of the most well suited countries to help bring peace. But, make no mistake, peace in that region will NEVER be achieved unless we have the majority of the Muslim population onside. They are great warriers. We cannot achieve peace through war. Quite frankly, they’ll kick our butts. The only option is weapons of mass destruction, and I don’t want to go there, because it appears Iran is already thinking about doing just that.
Anyway, it appears the host of this site is truly pissed at me. Too bad there is no freedom of expression in Canada anymore….
So I guess I have to move on to other things.
Cheers
hey kkk-kinnear I see you’re back!
Freedom of speech is one thing. Hatred of a race like the Jews is another.
I too have travelled a lot and I too see the poverty and I too see how they like “Canadians”.
But ask you this, like me, who’d you want in charge of the world right now?
Canada? Give me a break.
Obviously you don’t know about the Liberal Party of Canada or their NDP bedmates.
Oh, let’s bring the Shira law into Canada…
Kate, I see you deleted a couple of my posts. You had better do some sole search girl….because you are no advocate of free speech. You are nothing more than a hypocrite.
I can do better than that. You just got your ass banned out of here.
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Thanks Kate,
What good is having an index finger if you can’t use it once in awhile?
Daniel
Gee, Hans R., I’ve patiently been waiting for reaction to your post of 4:53 PM yesterday, and there really hasn’t been any. Congratulations on having snuck a bit of realism past the guardians of ideology.