A poll of four major Muslim countries – the good, the bad and the ugly;
There is strong disapproval of attacks by “groups that use violence against civilians, such as al Qaeda.” Large majorities in Egypt (88%), Indonesia (65%) and Morocco (66%) agree that such groups “are violating the principles of Islam.” Pakistanis are divided, however, with many not answering.
But there is also uncertainty about whether al Qaeda actually conducts such attacks. On average less than one in four believes al Qaeda was responsible for September 11th attacks. Pakistanis are the most skeptical—only 3 percent think al Qaeda did it. There is no consensus about who is responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington; the most common answer is “don’t know.”
Most significantly, large majorities approve of many of al Qaeda’s principal goals. Large majorities in all countries (average 70 percent or higher) support such goals as: “stand up to Americans and affirm the dignity of the Islamic people,” “push the US to remove its bases and its military forces from all Islamic countries,” and “pressure the United States to not favor Israel.”
…where does Ontario fit in that graph?
Amazing what one can accomplish with a state controlled media and some good propaganda writers.
they can take their sharia law and stick it where the sun does not shine….as the father of 3 daughters, sharia law scares me more than the possibility of any terror attack…..these stone age extremist whackjobs pose a greater threat to my family since the nazis and ww2….I was willing to put my life on the line to fight the commies, and I can guarantee that I will have to be 6 feet under b4 I allow that garbage in this country….once again, the silence from the moonbat/dipper/librano crowd is totally amazing…progressives my ass
And people wonder why we are at war with Islam. These polls are a large part of the answer.
The point that SHOULD be made but is NOT being made to Muslim immigrants to Western Democracies is that they are now NOT in a Muslim country. They have come by their choice, and by our gracious permission, to OUR Western Democratic country.
Our values exclude from our societies: Sharia; religious intolerance; suppression and/or violence towards women, gays, athiests or other religious dissenters; censorship of Speech or Press.
If Muslim immigrants find any of this unacceptable and refuse to live by it, they are perfectly welcome to get back on the aircraft and fly back to Whereveristan. Period.
Why would we be discussing Sharia Law? Nothing to do with us and our way of life. We live in a modern
society, not as Nomads of the fourth Century. It’s called Civilization and women and men are treated equally.
It’s not perfect, humans are not perfect.
Muslims can practice their religious beliefs and mind their own bloody affairs. Sharia law has nothing whatever to do with the Laws of this Land.
If religious laws are their concern they better live where they’re entrenched, this is not the place for them. We won’t allow our society to enact stone age laws.
Dave,
Your values won’t matter very much once there are enough votes to overrule them.
“… affirm the dignity of the Islamic people,” “push the US to remove its bases and its military forces from all Islamic countries,” and “pressure the United States to not favor Israel.””
Lefties believe that when this is done, and Israel is gone, the Islamofacists will disarm and live in peace with the rest of us. The mind boggles.
Be careful of surveys. With this one, I’d want to know who the respondents are(people who answered the survey); how they were chosen and above all, how the survey was carried out. In person? You’d get very different answers in a face-to-face survey in these regimes than you would in a survey without possible repercussions.
Then, I’d want to see all the questions; this influences the answers; for example, they may set up the respondent to answer in a certain way by including ‘leading questions’ which ‘beg the question’ which means that they include unexamined assumptions that you accept when you answer the question.
For instance, the question of ‘stand up to Americans and affirm the dignity of the Islamic people’ is an invalid question. You must NEVER merge two questions into one. The use of ‘and’, merges two questions.
The hidden assumption? That Americans reject and harm the ‘dignity of the Islamic people’ and you must ‘stand up to Americans’.
Notice that the question doesn’t ASK you IF Americans reject the ‘dignity of Islamics’; it makes that assumption taken for granted.
Naturally, given this invalid question, most people will answer ‘yes’. They are agreeing that Islamic peoples ‘have dignity’.
The next question of ‘push the US to remove bases’ is a validly organized question but it is irrelevant. Naturally, most people would agree to remove foreign military bases.
Same with the question on Israel; it’s a trivial question.
As for the strict application of Sharia Law, I’d question HOW this survey was carried out. If it was face-to-face, or even telephone, then, the respondents might have been afraid to answer differently.
Matt,
That reminds me of a good article in the Washington Times today by Tony Blankley on the left/right divide on this issue:
“the great divide is between those, such as me, who believe that the rise of radical Islam poses an existential threat to Western Civilization; and those who believe it is a nuisance, if episodically a very dangerous nuisance”
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20070424-102748-9681r.htm
Y’ever notice that those who yell loudest that they demand ‘dignity & respect’ are generally the ones least deserving of it?
‘…the respondents might have been afraid to answer differently.’
Yeah, kinda hard to give one’s opinion with a knife to the throat.
Watch it! Here come the ankle police! Suicide bomber’s mothers prove inbreeding works.
All part of the good propaganda writing, ET. Nothing like a nice “poll” to further The Cause.
The truth about most people is that whatever they tell you, really they are just trying to pay the rent with as little hassle as possible.
So when I see a poll like this, I take it with a whole box of salt. Even if it is technically correct and honest (bwahahaaa! sure thing eh?!), it still doesn’t count for diddly.
Public opinion is like the weather in Hamilton. You don’t like it, just wait five minutes and it’ll change.
Just to make it clear to the left-tards, the above means we are not in a struggle with the free people of the Muslim World.
We are in a struggle against a few dictators who are paying fanatics to do their dirty work. The people of the Muslim World could pretty much care less, they have their own problems and aren’t free to choose anyway.
Didn’t Ont want to put this law in place a few months ago. Beware of re-electing your liberal govt. Any muslim in canada speaking favorably of Sharia should be sent back to his cave immediately. Breaking news. Rosie fired from the View. Guess after all the fuss over Imus the ABC couldn’t keep her after last wkend. She is gone in June. Her version, couldn’t reach a contract.
yes, mary, chimpy mcretard was actually considering sharia law(he claimed a milder form, you know, like don’t hit the b@#$% in the face milder form), and as far as I can tell, it is still on the backburner….I am sure he will proclaim sharia as another harmless mutation of our multi-cultural mosaic….and if he thinks that it could lead to a few votes…..well, you know what a liberal will do for a vote…..
I went to the site – and found out both how the survey was conducted, and got the questionnaire.
It was conducted by the U of Maryland. The questionnaire was translated and then, administered in In-House Interviews in each country! Got that? The survey was conducted, face to face, in someone’s home. That ends – completely – any validity and reliability to the survey. Now that ‘the authorities’ are asking you questions, in your own home, and know who you are – it is impossible to give any other answer than the Accepted Party Line.
The questions themselves are, except for a few flawed ones, interesting. The problem is, the interview is face-to-face.
Asked about terrorism, most agree that it’s a big problem, that attacks on civilians are not justified; they are in favour of democracy; they also agree that people should be free to worship any religion; they even reject attempting to covert others!
Then, it moves into the political propaganda – with a strong rejection of the US government. The question was set up correctly; it’s a valid question – the response, however, is unreliable because the Interview was FACE-TO-FACE in the respondent’s own home!
The question asked how you feel about “the laws governing freedom of expression in the US’. Half and half answered favorable/unfavorable. But, this contradicts their previous claim that everyone should be free to worship as they want.
Then, a question asking if the respondents felt that the agenda of the US was ‘to spread Christianity in the ME’! Most felt that was the goal! Evidence???
And – ‘maintain control over the oil resources of the ME’ – almost all said it was a definite goal.
I won’t go into all the questions – which include ‘to weaken and divide the Islamic world’
There’s a section on Al Qaeda goals, followed by asking whether you agree with these goals.And, most of them do agree. Oh, except that they want US support.
And, although the poll states that they strongly reject violence, another question asking about ‘a Muslim blows himself up while attacking an enemy’ – gets a favorable response.
Interesting, in Egypt, an equal number said that Al Qaeda and Israel were behind 9/11.
My overall conclusion is that the poll has some interesting questions (ignoring the invalid ones) but, the answers are not reliable because it was a face-to-face interview in someone’s home.
And, hostility in Egypt matches that of Pakistan. Why?
How can we trust a poll from these four major Muslim countries when the Illiteracy Rate in those same four Muslim Countires is in the 80% range.
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Amazing what a couple of generations of aggressive propaganda can do. When I lived in Morocco (1971-72) it was, by regional standards, quite liberal and westernized. Beer was served in sidewalk cafes in Rabat and the wearing of tents by women was optional. (The young ladies who worked in my office dressed quite stylishly.)
There was a hard core of really nasty, xenophobic Islamists, some of whom had been semi-educated in French universities, and most of them were part of the bureaucratic Arab elite who lorded it over the Berbers, but they were generally disliked.
The idea that 35% of Moroccans now strongly agree that their country should be governed by sharia law blows my mind. How terribly sad for a country that was once a beacon of hope in the Arab world.
Amazing what a couple of generations of aggressive propaganda can do. When I lived in Morocco (1971-72) it was, by regional standards, quite liberal and westernized. Beer was served in sidewalk cafes in Rabat and the wearing of tents by women was optional. (The young ladies who worked in my office dressed quite stylishly.)
There was a hard core of really nasty, xenophobic Islamists, some of whom had been semi-educated in French universities, and most of them were part of the bureaucratic Arab elite who lorded it over the Berbers, but they were generally disliked.
The idea that 35% of Moroccans now strongly agree that their country should be governed by sharia law blows my mind. How terribly sad for a country that was once a beacon of hope in the Arab world.
With regard to Sharia in Ontario, McGormless considered it for some time. He appointed Marion Boyd – a lesbian wymyn’s aktivistista and a former Ontario NDP attorney general – to look into the matter and put forth a recommendation.
She proposed that Ontario adopt it (in spite of the inherent danger to all of us, it is perversely delicious to see bra-burning screeching femi-nazis do their best to get themselves and their sistas into the burqa).
A subsequent outcry forced McDoofus to back off and disallow all religious arbitration, including existing Jewish and Christian methods.
maybe be Marion Boyd can be the first to cut off her nether parts as a symbolic submission to Islam.
ET: You never state what kind of survey would be better. Telephone interviews? Impractical. “Man on the street”? Too public. Respondent’s answers might vary depending on the audience. Written survey? Illiteracy is a problem plus very low response rates are the norm.
The report doesn’t state WHO actually did the interviews but presumably (???) it was NGO researchers and not government employees.
As a comment on the results of the survey, it’s just confirmation of my decision not to visit Pakistan.
“As a comment on the results of the survey, it’s just confirmation of my decision not to visit Pakistan.”
It’s this kind of levity that keeps me coming back for more. Hell, 90% of the people that post on here rarely leave their basement.
michele – I think it would be very difficult to carry out a reliable survey.
The document states that ‘interviewing was conducted face-to-face in respondent’s homes..and..’gender matching of interviewer and respondent was implemented as needed based upon the judgments of the research agencies’. So, the interviewers were obviously native to each country. The major problem was the ‘face-to-face’ and ‘in respondent’s homes’.
A telephone survey is not merely impractical but has the same problem; the respondent might be afraid of being ‘found out’. A mailed survey is impractical, not only for literacy, but, the majority of mailed surveys are ignored. Internet is of course out of the question.
My suggestion would be a ‘market-day’ or ‘shopping mall’ survey, where a booth is set up for volunteer responses. Respondents get paid a small nominal sum for answering the questions. There would be no identification of the respondent.
Problem with this, of course, is that it loses the so-called ‘randomness of sampling’ where you just pick, let’s say, 1 out of every 100 households. With the ‘market-day’ or ‘shopping-mall’ sampling, your respondents are no longer random; they are whoever would go to such a public area – rejecting by default anyone who doesn’t.
But – the ‘in-house’ face-to-face survey has so many built-in biases, that the other tactic would be preferable.
zog – it’s worse than 35%. The Q27a was ‘what do you personally feel about these (al Qaeda) goals?’ To require a strict application of Sharia law in every Islamic country. Morocco had 35% agree strongly and 41% agree somewhat. Only 19% disagreed somewhat/strongly. Essentially, they were the same as Egypt and Pakistan.
Ask most people in any one of those countries, and they will tell you the Mossad caused 9/11 and their local terrorist attacks.
Their religion requires delusions because it makes them poor, primitive, and violent. Something external must be blamed.
surly,i agree,when muslims reach critical mass there is no such thing as a moderate. how do i know, the quran tells me so.
ET said:
My suggestion would be a ‘market-day’ or ‘shopping mall’ survey, where a booth is set up for volunteer responses. Respondents get paid a small nominal sum for answering the questions. There would be no identification of the respondent.
I don’t think you quite GET the dynamic of a totalitarian police state. When you say there should be “no identification of the respondent” they wouldn’t know that for sure, would they?
Opinion polls in police states have zero reliability no matter how, where, or by whom they are conducted.
phantom, there is no such animal as a free muslim in a muslim country
ET …it’s worse than that…
In that case, the efforts of most polling organizations to ask such nuanced questions are futile, and pollsters should ask only “either or” or “yes no” questions.
I would interpret the 41% to mean that the respondents would like to see the implementation of some specific features of sharia law, but not the whole package. A poll of Christians re law and moral codes, without reference to the word “sharia” would undoubtedly unearth many people who would endorse certain aspects of the code. For example, how about flogging? I’d have no problem with that as long as I wasn’t the flogee. Tighter controls on public obscenity? I’d have a problem with that, but lots of devout Christians and Muslims would be all for it.
“90% of the people that post on here rarely leave their basement.”
Not all of us can be from the cultural milieu that is Winnipeg.
“Not all of us can be from the cultural milieu that is Winnipeg.
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at April 25, 2007 2:49 PM ”
I agree Matt, you wouldn’t like it here. We tend to celebrate our cultural differences rather than proscecute people for having them.
Do the moonbats and MSM dhimmis need any further proof of what we’re up against? This sickens me. Bombing them back to the stone ages doesn’t go far enough. We also have to clean them off our own streets. Maybe we can pick up a few cheap Glocks in Virginia to do the job.
don- it’s sad that you don’t celebrate commonality and shared goals – such as our commonality as Canadians, as humans, our goals to provide for and safeguard our families, our goals to expand our knowledge.
How do you celebrate differences? I’m sure you can’t mean anything as trivial as food recipes, dances and costumes. So, how do you celebrate differences? If one group insists on communal swimming pools and another group rejects them, how do you pick which one to celebrate? If one group supports SSM and another group says that such people should be executed, how do you select which one to celebrate? Or do you celebrate both?
Fascinating.
The Yappy Blob of flesh called Rosie fired from the View? Guess something had to going , either her or the show. Good riddance.
Right, ET. You right wingers have such a wiser and kinder approach. I guess only dopes make an effort to to understand someone from a different culture. Join your spiritual partner below. Hell, make a night of it. Go out, get drunk and buy matching Glocks together.
“Do the moonbats and MSM dhimmis need any further proof of what we’re up against? This sickens me. Bombing them back to the stone ages doesn’t go far enough. We also have to clean them off our own streets. Maybe we can pick up a few cheap Glocks in Virginia to do the job.
Posted by: Boz Hogg at April 25, 2007 3:25 PM ”
“We tend to celebrate our cultural differences rather than proscecute people for having them.”
You celebrate head hacking? Female genital mutilation? Boy, you ARE open minded!
Dawn, this is Canada and it is Canadians who decide what kind of culture we want in our country. You know what you’re supposed to do when in Rome. We believe in peace, justice, the rule of law, the Christian tradition, and the right to realize our own destiny. The sheet-wearers are only interested in blood and conquest of all who stand in their way. They have no part of my Canada. We put up with enough other groups in the name of “tolerance”, but the line must be drawn here. The “religion of peace” is a death cult, and we would be best to oblige them before they take what’s ours.
“We tend to celebrate our cultural differences rather than proscecute people for having them.”
You celebrate head hacking? Female genital mutilation? Boy, you ARE open minded!
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at April 25, 2007 3:51 PM
No Matt…he is not quite that open minded.He just thinks that if he keeps his head stuck up his a$%, and it isn’t happening here (yet), then he is doing a good job….leftard twit that he is.
Why worry about “those” people over the pond? Not his daughter that has to worry,but probably will be his granddaughter that does,as she wears his hemp burka sack around, IF she isn’t dead as a non-believer. Or are you converting Don?
don- you haven’t answered my questions.
Why don’t you celebrate our commonalities?
And exactly what differences do you celebrate?
As I said, I’m sure it can’t be anything as trivial as different foods, songs and clothing. So – what do you celebrate?
As for understanding someone from a different culture – how do you go about this? Again, it can’t be as trivial as their food recipes. Do you evaluate their beliefs and behaviour against the context of their origins? eg – polygamy is usually found within a pastoral nomadic economy; Islam originated in a pastoral nomadic economy.
Do you evaluate how functional beliefs linked to origins are to modern industrial economies?
How about answering my questions rather than evading them with a ridiculous statement and insult.
Maybe Et, Matt and Boz should form a club. Buy a whole box of glocks, then start a crusade or something.
Thanks for the advise Don but I have already purchased my Glock 19 long ago. Since you seem to be an expert on “cheap Glocks” maybe you can explain why they are $570 in Virginia and $1100 here in Canada.
“Thanks for the advise Don but I have already purchased my Glock 19 long ago.”
With your obvious command of grammar and the English language, will you forgive me for being a trifle concerned that you are so armed?
“”Thanks for the advise Don but I have already purchased my Glock 19 long ago.”
With your obvious command of grammar and the English language, will you forgive me for being a trifle concerned that you are so armed?
Posted by: Don at April 25, 2007 4:18 PM ”
Hey Don. Answer the questions that ET posed to you. Or is it easier to insult somebody than have to think and/or quantify your answer?
Stop feeding the dhimmi troll. He’s probably not a real Canadian anyway.
Don, I have a question for you. Who exactly is getting prosecuted?….“We tend to celebrate our cultural differences rather than proscecute people for having them.”….By whom? For what offense?
You threw it out there, want to defend that statement?
“How do you celebrate differences? I’m sure you can’t mean anything as trivial as food recipes, dances and costumes. So, how do you celebrate differences? If one group insists on communal swimming pools and another group rejects them, how do you pick which one to celebrate? If one group supports SSM and another group says that such people should be executed, how do you select which one to celebrate? Or do you celebrate both?
Fascinating”
I was a guest at a Punjabi New Year celebration Sunday before last, justthinkin’. God, I love samosas! Differences? Well, the nine member band had six drummers. The girls wore saris.Apart from that we talked about our kids and hockey. There was a discussion about cricket, I gotta admit, I wasn’t an active participant. And, oh yeah. No glocks.
Yeah Boz….I know we shouldn’t feed them, but if we have to justify our positions and ourselves,why not him? Opppppssssss….sorry….forgot…hypocrisy is the leftards middle name…my bad…long day making that “izzy money” you know.:)
I know where you’re coming from, Justthinkin. But life’s too short to spend time trying to reason with leftards. As I said, he’s not even a real Canadian. If he goes to wog weddings, he’s probably in with the Islamofascists too.
“As I said, he’s not even a real Canadian. If he goes to wog weddings, he’s probably in with the Islamofascists too. Boz Hogg”
You can not make this stuff up! Why am I not surprised all of you tolerate a nasty little bigot like him. And, I am of Irish extraction, forebearers having migrated to Canada from County Slingo over 170 years ago.