93 Replies to “Marc Lepine’s father and related matters”

  1. Touche, Kathy Shaidle.
    RevnantDream: “As well any masculine traits have been so denigrated by Man Hating Women.”
    Yesterday morning at church, a young man held the door open for my sister and me. She turned to him and said thank you, mentioning that he was a gentleman, something she was very happy to see. He demurrred, so I simply said, Hey, it’s OK to be a gentleman, really it is!
    The young man seemed cowed and ashamed that we had complimented him on his gentlemanly behaviour. He must have been thinking that it wouldn’t gain him any brownie points with his more loutish friends. On the other hand, what was he thinking? Why did he seem to be embarrassed?

  3. nv53: your equality nonsense is just that. I grew up in a very different Canada, where public—and, generally, private—civility was very much the norm. E.g., The most impolite word heard—and not often—at my downtown, busy high school in a big city was “shut up”. There were no police officers in the halls and no high school massacres.
    Apparently, according to you, the fact that this young man was the son of an abusive father from the Middle East, where misogyny is ingrained in the culture, a trait this man seems to have internalized and passed on to his son, has nothing to do with this tragedy. Shake your head to make room for some logical thinking!

  4. batb,
    “….brownie points with his more loutish friends”. “Why did he seem to be embarrassed?”
    You really don’t know? Check with Shaidle. I’m sure she’ll have the answer. Then we can all sleep better tonight.

  5. The men in the situation did have a responsibility to stop it – as did the women – there were no tables, desks, chairs, books, pieces of chalk, purses, – the room was just completely empty – nothing that could have be aimed at the guy? My point is that we have allowed our society to become passive and wait for ‘some official’ to take charge – usually too late and with an inadequate response!
    The MSM have made this into a feminist issue and men’s hate towards women – I see it as an individual responsibility issue that extends to how we interact in our community. What if four or five or six people (men and/or women) said NO!! we will not allow you to this!
    I’ll give an example closer to home – the other day I was waiting at a red light in my car along with a male companion. A group of teenage boys were crossing at the light on their way back to school from lunch and a couple of them casually threw away the paper plate their were eating their slice of pizza from. I rolled down my window and yelled at them to pick up their trash and not be such pigs – you know what they did – THEY PICKED IT UP and took it to the public trash bin on the other side of the street. You know what the response of my male companion – I shouldn’t have done that because it was embarrassing and the boys might have confronted us. Yes, the degree of threat was different, but the concept is the same. Stand up and be counted.

  6. “Lepine was wielding a Ruger Ranch rifle, a semi-auto rifle with a large capacity magazine. That all sounds pretty ominous until you realize a gun like that can only shoot in one direction at a time and even a semi-auto can’t spray down everyone who charges. The thing is, it is very difficult to shoot even one person coming at you, let alone a few.”
    Posted by Ra.
    Too bad you are even wrong about that. Gharbi tried to modify his rifle to fire on auto. In the processm he screwed it up, and turned it into a single shot. After every round, he had to cycle the bolt by hand. That takes alot of time.
    More than enough time to do somthing about Gharbi

  7. An animal, once it is caught by a predator, just gives up. It freezes, resigned to its fate.
    In nature you are either predator or prey.

  8. “There is always an excuse for a lack of courage” – Albert Camus. I have confronted young men on the SkyTrain late at night, and although many threats were made, nothing physical actually happened. Usually by belittling them and wondering that their fathers must be proud of them (especially Hispanics) is enough to make them back off. It is always dangerous, and in every occasion there were bigger guys than myself present who looked out the window attempting to pretend nothing was happening. I once told 2 rather rough looking hulks to watch their language in front of the women and children, and though they told me to F**k off, they did quit swearing. Of course this may not be courage or even stubbornness, possibly it is stupidity on my part.

  9. But Kathy you cannot blame the men per se, because feminism and political correctness created who they are today.
    See my earlier post about boys getting into trouble at school for playfully wrestling.
    When I was a young lad if you shook a man’s hand you always gave him a firm handshake and looked at him in the eyes. I honestly cannot recall the last time a boy or young man has given me a firm handshake or looked at me when doing so. My nephew’s handshake is so weak I feel like I’m shaking the hand of a corpse.
    Young men today are indoctrinated not to have confidence or be competitive, and it is in large part thanks to the relentless hammering by feminists, and the implementation of endless anti-male policies in schools.
    Worse, many yuppie parents happily go along with it.

  10. batb: “On the other hand, what was he thinking? Why did he seem to be embarrassed?”
    He was extending a courtesy – he was expecting at most a “thank you” or a nod to which he could have replied with a “you’re welcome” or a nod. He wasn’t prepared for a conversation, he didn’t want one, and he saw no need to have one.
    Try this some time – at the dinner table start gushing over someone because they passed you the potatoes.

  11. what I thought strange was the parade of feminists loudly “beating on” drums.
    I thought they could go for a kinder gentler symbol – maybe hug a seal pup.

  12. CFRA Polls.
    “On the 20th anniversary of the Montreal Massacre, family members of the victims and other gun control advocates said it was shocking that the government was abolishing the gun registry. They point to statistics that show the number of spousal homicides involving firearms has dropped dramatically.
    1. They are right that the gun registry was working and it’s an insult to the memory of the victims that it’s being abolished
    8.56%
    2. While I have sympathy for the victims’ family members, the gun registry was a waste of resources and hasn’t accomplished anything
    89.9%
    3. Other
    1.50%”
    http://www.cfra.com/

  15. It saddens me to hear people condemn the men as cowards. For those who are, unless they have been in such a situation themselves, they should not speak.
    Also, when the men were being separated from the women, many of them believed at first, that the women were being spared…and THEY were to be the target of Lepine’s warped anger.
    I would imagine by the time reality kicked in…such a chaotic atmosphere would not allow all the wisdom of afterthought. I also imagine, this all happened at the speed of blur.

  16. Okay, I’ll say it again … and again … and again.
    When Judeo-Christian values were the default in Canada — until fairly recently, until Pierre Elliott Trudeau’s championing of radical feminism, his party’s dumbing down/skankization of our social standards, and their strident social engineering programs designed to empty homes of the civilizing influence of full-time moms — men weren’t afraid to be men and women weren’t afraid to be women.
    Our society, until Trudeau’s Tyranny trampled it, had no problem accepting the naturalness of what we saw every day with our own two eyes: “boys will be boys” and, by extension, “girls will be girls.” No one ridiculed a girl who played with dolls or tried to make her play with a PlaySkool carpenter’s tool set; no one dressed a boy in pink or expected him to play with dolls.
    We have feminized boys to death, and I see it in the classroom and playground every day. I often apologize to young boys who are rough housing, TJ, but point out that the rule is “hands and feet to yourself.” If I didn’t enforce this rule and something got out of hand, I would be held responsible by the admin and the parents. I tell them to wrestle off school property after school or at home.
    What we have bred in Canada with the feminization of our society and the I’m-not-to-blame-it’s-not-my-fault-it’s-his/hers, is a bunch of wimps, male and female — and, most important, we have no set of mores or values, except the lie of “equal rights,” to pull on to get us out of our moral morass. The majority of us USED to have moral and ethical values based on the Scriptures from which we fundamentally understood that I AM my brother’s/sister’s keeper, that I AM responsible for my behaviour and that I AM accountable if another person is in trouble and I decide to do nothing to help them. In fact, we had a word for this type of cowardly inaction — and still do if we are practising Christians. It’s called sin, but we seem to have chucked that concept, too.
    We also understood the story, the moral of the story, of living sacrificial lives. You couldn’t go to church week in, week out, without having the passion and crucifixion of Jesus Christ seep into your pores, psyche, conscience, by osmosis. The idea of sacrificial living was a reality for a majority of Canadians until it all started to unravel in the ’60s with, BTW, increasing ridicule and contempt of and scorn for Judeo-Christian values, and those who still hold to them, in all of our public institutions.
    We shouldn’t be at all dismayed that we are now living in an ethical wasteland and that many Canadians are moral pygmies, especially when most Canadians now seem to worship at the alter of secular humanism which stresses no G*d and every person for themself as they pursue material success and excess.
    The moral cowardice and pass-the-buck mentality we’re seeing now is nothing other than the logical consequence of having trashed the faith of our forefathers and mothers, a fact that too many Canadians don’t want to deal with.
    If you don’t correctly diagnose the illness, the patient gets sicker and dies. If you don’t diagnose the cause of the moral and ethical degradation of our society, then it’s a steady slide down the slippery slope.

  18. All of that may be true…well most of it at least. But I maintain, calling a person who is staring down the barrel of a shotgun a coward, should only be done by those who have confronted it and who have lived to tell.
    It’s all so easy to assess, while your blood isn’t racing to your head, your heart isn’t beating up in your neck and panic isn’t reaching into the limbs that support you. But while a person is IN IT…all kinds of common sense could likely go out the window. And if you believe that has anything to do with feminism, then I think your theory has a few flaws.

  19. No shortage of arm chair warriors on this subject.Ten years of para leaves me wondering{hoping}that I would react heroically,but who’s to say without a crystal ball at hand.I do agree with the sentiment that Trudeau was responsible for the pansification of the average Canadian male,damned Liberals.

  20. Wait a sec… For all those people, benefiting from 20 years’ hindsight, blaming the boys in that classroom…
    If a gunman comes into your place of work and says, “I want the women to stay in the room and I want the men outside,” in the heat of the moment, I don’t know about you, but I’d assume THE MEN are the ones about to get shot.
    That’s what usually happens when you seperate men from the women and children, right? Whether it’s a rescue operation or an attack of some kind, Women and children tend to get a break before the men do.
    And that’s apparently what went through some of these guys’ minds: The gunman’s going to spare the women and start shooting us.
    Only that never happened. Sadly, as it turns out, the guy was even sicker and angrier than they’d imagined.
    One of those men wound up committing suicide months later. Then one of his parents did.
    All this to say, I don’t think it’s fair, 20 years later, to say, “Here’s what I would’ve done in their shoes.” Because you weren’t there — and you weren’t in their shoes when, at the age of 19 or 20, they were given a split-second to make a life-or-death decision, under the barrel of a gun and not knowing what the killer had in mind.

  21. batb, I love it when you get angry! Well said!
    Kathy Shaidle is correct, cowardice has become the default position. I won’t comment on Lepine,enough has been said,and while I have my fantasies about what I would have done in that classroom, they ARE strictly fantasies.
    Regarding the subject of default cowardice; we had an incident here on the West Coast a few years ago where a fishing boat, the Cap Rouge, overturned and four people were trapped inside.The vessel was upside down on the surface of Georgia Strait.
    Coast Guard rescue personnel were on site in a very short time,and on board were two well trained S & R scuba divers.
    They made no attempt to go down into the boat to try and free any survivors,and waited until further help came. When they DID go down, all persons in the capsized boat were dead.
    I turns out that the reason the S&R scuba divers did not go down is that there is a Federal regulation that requires THREE scuba divers in a rescue situation.
    At the inquest it was determined the people in the upturned boat had lived in an air pocket for about thirty minutes,plenty of time for the TWO S&R men to have attempted a rescue. BUT,that Regulation called for THREE men, not two.
    When the story was reported on the local CTV station, newsreader Tony Parsons looked embarrassed as he read,”the two divers were prevented form going down by a Federal regulation requiring three divers in rescue situations”.
    I watched Parsons on later broadcasts as the story continued for days. Each time he repeated that phrase,he seemed to become more comfortable with it, and soon there was no sign of any embarrassment at all.
    One of the S&R techs CTV interviewed almost cried on camera as he said,”I have nightmares about this”,regarding the then new evidence that the victims had still been alive while he and his partner stood on the hull above them,prevented from going down by a Federal Regulation.
    One of the S&R senior officers lamely said that it was dangerous down there and they did the right thing,but he didn’t sound very convincing.
    That story, more than anything I’ve heard, convinced me that as Kathy says,”cowardice is the new default position”.
    I was so upset I wrote a letter to the editor of the Province,and to their credit,they printed it in whole, no editing.
    B.C. had commemorated WW 2 Victoria Cross awardee Ernest “Smoky” Smith at about the same time of the Cap Rouge incident. Smoky’s uncommon courage and valour was lauded by all who spoke at the ceremony,as it should have been.
    When I wrote the letter to the paper, the difference in the generations came home to me loud and clear. Smoky’s generation lived through a Depression, and fought a war. Courage,valour,caring for your fellow man was part of their makeup,their being. Smoky Smith was always quietly humble about “doing his duty”.
    I mentioned the difference in my letter,and ended with,”it’s too bad there wasn’t a Smoky Smith present on that terrible day”.
    I expected a flurry of letters refuting my point. There never was a reply. I think a lot of people came to the same realization at the same time,that cowardice had become the default position.

  22. I do not blame the men although if when they walked out they were walking by the shooter and he was looking elsewhere…. that is an opportunity lost.
    What I don’t understand about these types of mass shootings is that the women (or people in general) just laid there on the floor (or stood in line) and politely waited their turn to be shot. How can people do that? In some cases, they waited as perpetrators reloaded!! You know that he is going to kill you all – why not at least take the opportunity to fight to live or at least save some of you? I’m afraid that I couldn’t go like that. Fifth in a line-up of people waiting to get murdered. These are just thoughts because, as others have stated, you never know what you’ll do in certain situations but I hope that if I was to be murdered, I would be murdered fighting tooth and nail for my life.
    I also agree with some of the other comments here about society turning us into perpetual victims, unable and unwilling to defend ourselves. We are taught that the police will protect us but that is completely false. The police will never be in time to protect us. The police are there to find our killers after the fact. The whole justice system perpetrates this falsehood by charging people who attempt to protect themselves, their family, their fellow man, or their property from criminals. The criminals are the ones protected by our laws. Until this changes, we can look forward to more of these types of incidents. We need to empower people to defend themselves in my opinion.
    Also, we must get rid of the “look the other way” syndrom otherwise known as “I didn’t want to get involved.” When someone needs your help, you need to stand with them. If everyone did this, the risk to everyone else would decrease exponentially. It used to be that you could count on the people around you to do the right thing but now, you can count on them likely running away. Thugs and criminal elements own us whether we realize it or not. Fear has paralized our population and we want others to take care of it because we don’t want to do any heavy lifting or take any risks for the safety of our fellow man.
    Larben, thank you for taking risk to yourself to stand up to those who deserve it. I hope that others can find the courage that you have to stand with you. My sister has taken the train at night and been accosted by men – someone stood up for her and was roughed up for his troubles but he wouldn’t have been if everyone around would have stood together against these aweful men. Thank you again for helping others when it appears that no one else will bother. Shame on them.

  23. Shaidle is the worst kind of coward. She hates Canada, she told everyone so. She hates Canada, but doesn’t have the guts to leave. I used to date a woman that constantly spouted, much like Shaidle. It was nothing but hot air. She froze, like a sheep, at the first sign of trouble.
    I’ve stepped into some situations that got me an ass kicking. I tried to stop a guy from running down skateboarders, with his truck(actually, I did stop him), and some bystanders grabbed me, and allowed the guy to kick me in the nuts. After 14 years, it still hurts, when I sit a certain way.
    I broke up a knife fight, between two bikers, once. Talk about a surreal experience. I’d never do that again.
    I stopped a guy from beating his wife, years back. I gave his wife and kids a ride home, and made sure he stayed away, til morning. That woman hated my guts after that. I never figured out why. Maybe she was embarassed, I’m not sure.
    My older sister once stepped in front of me, when a pervert pointed a handgun at me. I was 4, she was 15. The idea that bravery is up to the male population is a total cop out.
    Was it proven that those male students knew the women were about to be murdered? Separating them might have seemed like a way to advance his position in hostage negotiations. If professionals can misread hostage situations, it’s quite possible that frightened hostages might do the same.
    Okay, enough of this. Arguing about what should have been done is pointless. The result is, women have pushed gun control, to the point of no return. You can’t disarm, and emasculate the male population, then expect us to ride in and save the day.

  24. Hey, dmorris! 🙂
    Look, I’m not saying that I would be courageous and full of valour if I was in the situation those men were in, but one has to look at trends in order to make sense out of certain situations.
    It is pretty amazing that a group of both men AND women didn’t try to overpower this one madman. Twelve women dead as a result. It’s hard to imagine that happening if the classroom had been inhabited by the generation of men who fought in WWII.
    Those of us who are in the classroom every day see the dumbing down of both genders, the pansification of our males, and a total lack of accountability for one’s actions, partly because it’s not demanded.
    I demand it in my classrooms and get little or no support from the milquetoast administrators who view parents as clients. It’s troubling to see a critical mass of always shrugging, I-don’t-know/it’s-not-my-fault/amoral young people with the zombie look in their eyes. I’d hate to be in a room with them if I was threatened by a gun-toting madman, because I can’t see them lifting a finger to help me or anyone else.

  25. Confidence gives people courage, as stated by Bruce. People who are coddled and protected from all evil are as helpless as baby lambs when confronted with real danger. One big loud beller (from a man or woman) would have thrown the little coward with the gun off his guard “What the Hell is going on here?” would have stirred up some terror is his wee mind. The confidence behind that beller would be the statement: ‘we can do something here’ – to the fear paralyzed crowd; ‘you are going to be hurt’ – to the wee coward with the gun’.
    It happened in the Warsaw ghetto, the Jewish people fought back, with confidence, because their fear of dying was conquered with the realization that cowering and hoping it would all just go away, would end in certain death; fighting back would likely result in death but it would be an honorable death because the dead person TRIED to help himself – he/she decieded HOW he would LIVE and thus his fate was NOT determined by the enemy. That decision is the VICTORY that all free people embrace. We are all going to die – it is how we live that counts!

  26. BRAVA, batb!
    I fully concur with your thesis that the shunning of the Judeo-Christian foundation of this country—actually, of Western civilization—has EVERYTHING to do with the self-centredness and cowardice (which breeds low self-esteem and bullying on a grand scale) that we see everywhere these days.
    CRU-Tape wouldn’t have happened 50 years ago: with the ANTI-Christian “anything goes, forget accountability and responsibility” ethos, which is now the default position of our crumbling, ANTI-Christian civilization, we’re going to see the self-referential, evil promotion of lies to gain power multiplied exponentially. (Think Obama and his Chicago thugs: ANTI-Christian societies are turning out Obama clones at an alarming rate.)
    I notice that most of our sda fellow travellers ignore my and batb’s appeal to the Judeo-Christian dispensation. Interesting . . . (Islam is also ANTI-Christian. Look what its followers do and notice how our ANTI-Christian civilization seems to be moving to a lesser place as well. Interesting . . .)

  27. Not once has the media ever said who Marc Lepine really was. What a stigma on the lepine name. Marc was born of a muslim father who abused his family. Why is this never mentioned in the media?

  28. What a stigma on the lepine name. Marc was born of a muslim father who abused his family. Why is this never mentioned in the media?

  29. Why does it need to be ? Marc himself was NOT a muslim…..so what difference does it make.
    It would be highly unusual for them to mention those who committed crimes who were Christian. You have to have it both ways, or no way.

  30. Oh please…It’s shameful to make this about something it’s not. Actually, it’s appalling.
    Marc Lepine was NOT muslim. He was baptized Roman Catholic, but lived his life as a confirmed atheist.

  31. “Oh please” is correct. Now that I know that religion played no part in the actions of this “nutcase”, I’ll have to look elsewhere for the ‘source of sanctimony’ being displayed in most comments.
    “Osumashi Kinyobe”: another succinct comment (Dec 6th 9:22am), as we’ve come to expect from you. Good to hear from you again.
    “Infinity squared”: correct with your Dec 7th 11:26am comment.

  32. Annie: “It would be highly unusual for them to mention those who committed crimes who were Christian.”
    ‘Not highly unusual at all. The media had a hay day pointing out that Timothy McVeigh (the Oklahoma Bomber) was a Christian and that Vince Li (who beheaded Tim McLean on a bus and cannibalized him), went to an evangelical Christian Church. In Li’s case, he was a recent convert to Christianity — where it looks as though the church personnel were trying to help this, obviously, troubled recent immigrant from China, but the MSM made a big deal of this connection.
    I’m not sure what media you’re tuned into, but you’ve obviously missed their bias. I agree with you that there shouldn’t be an emphasis on someone’s religion/culture in only some cases but not in others. Somehow, however, that “courtesy” is not extended to deranged individuals who have any connection with a Christian denomination.

  33. Annie, Gamil Garbi, which is Marc Lepine’s real name, and his family were brutalized and then abandoned by a Muslim father. What don’t you get about this having something to do with Islam and its appalling record re the dignity of women?
    P.S. Whether Garbi was Muslim or not is entirely beside the point.

  34. That’s true batb…not unheard of for religion to be mentioned. But I think there is a different spin when the religions in play are Christianity or Islam. When a psycho who commits a heinous crime is Christian…the tone reads….’I don’t understand…how could he have done this’. Whereas when a psycho who commits a crime is Islam…the tone is….’well there you go…there’s your answer’.
    Sometimes crazy is just crazy…and it comes in all colours and creeds.

  35. And of course Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian, but rather came out of a Christian background. Like Hitler. Or Stalin.
    Of course, if you regard those two as Christians, then just ignore me. I’m not talking to you anyway.

  36. “What kind of society have we created where men (or any other person) will leave a room knowing that those remaining will be killed?”
    Maureen
    There is a clear difference between bravery and stupidity. Would you have stayed in the room?

  37. Ditto what lookout said.
    Annie: “When a psycho who commits a heinous crime is Christian…the tone reads….’I don’t understand…how could he have done this’.”
    Again, I ask you, what media are you talking about? The tone is far from what you’ve said. The tone is, Hmmm, those crazy Christians; ‘see what Christians do? They’re jerks — and worse, idiot psychopaths.
    I suspect you’re much younger than I am, and I also suspect that you’re not a practising Christian, which is fine with me, except that if you’re not a practising Christian, you wouldn’t have much of an idea of how anti-Christian the MSM has become in the past 40 years, beginning in the late ’60s, early ’70s.
    I’m old enough to remember a media that had respect for the Christian religion, even if individual journalists weren’t believers or church goers. There was a recognition that Christians contributed to the good of society; now, the media usually shows contempt and scorn for Christianity, especially the Catholic variety.

  38. batb…I wasn’t specifically referring to the media.
    I too am old enough to remember when there was integrity in the media…and all that was told was the facts. No editorializing, no showmanship, no ‘desk chatter’, no what ifs. Just the news. And if there ever was a time that the media showed a respect for the Christian religion, then that too carries its own bias.
    Anyways….I get tired of hearing people sum up a situation by what their religious beliefs are. Indeed there are situations where it is pertinent…this wasn’t one of them IMHO.
    (I am not a Christian…raised Catholic…moved far away from that the minute I had the choice. I’ve practiced no faith for the last 45 years) 😉

  39. Annie wrote, “But I think there is a different spin when the religions in play are Christianity or Islam. When a psycho who commits a heinous crime is Christian…the tone reads….’I don’t understand…how could he have done this’. Whereas when a psycho who commits a crime is Islam…the tone is….’well there you go…there’s your answer’.”
    When one considers that “Not all Muslims are terrorists but most terrorists are Muslim”, why would you be surprised at the reaction you cite when we find that one more Muslim—not necessarily a psycho, but a man religiously trained to hate and eradicate the infidel (non Muslims)—has wreaked havoc on his (it’s usually a male) fellow human beings?
    With due respect, your naïveté strikes me as being rather Pollyanna-ish.

  41. Well if it’s Pollyanna-ish to formulate my opinions based on what IS, rather than what it may seem…then I am happy to be Pollyanna-ish.
    ….and if it’s naive to choose to not stereotype using a mere snippet of this NON-MUSLIM man’s past to draw a conclusion on his psychosis…than naive is how I would prefer to remain.

  43. For Annie’s information:
    In this morning’s National Post, in an article by George Jonas, “What Jihadists Oppose Most”:
    “In an interview . . . Dr. Hamid Tawfik, a Cairo born physician who describes himself as a former jihadist, is asked why he came close to becoming a terrorist. . . ‘It was not poverty . . . it wasn’t lack of education. . . It was basically a religious form of teaching that instructs us to use violence with non-Muslims . . .’
    “. . . in answer to the question of who is the ‘enemy’. . . Dr. Tawfik is unequivocal:
    “’The West, but in particular, women’s rights. Women’s rights was the first enemy for us.’”
    Annie, what do you not understand about this? The dots are all lined up: connect them.

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