The old man still has a thing or two to teach the Gaga Generation: Mick Jagger.
Update: As the original Youtube video was taken down, here’s a different link for now.
The old man still has a thing or two to teach the Gaga Generation: Mick Jagger.
Update: As the original Youtube video was taken down, here’s a different link for now.
Pretty spry for a senior citizen.
Big deal George Beverly Shea got a Life Time Award at the Grammies and he is 102.
Comparing the performances of Jagger, Streisand, and Dylan is like comparing the competency of Layton, Duceppe and Dion in 2008.
But Dylan was especially embarassing. The rest of the yokellin’ yahoos who tried to legitimize the moment by playing behind him should be ashamed of themselves.
Mick was great, but not the best in show. It’s all perspective I guess.
Thanks, Kate. I loved it but wondered if my judgment was clouded by nostalgia.
“Everybody Needs Somebody to Love” has always been one of my top ten Stones’ songs. Here’s a 1965 video that shows young Mick at his best, and here’s the original British album version, much longer than the one released in N. America–superb, just keeps building, wonderful liquid guitar solos.
I saw them in Ottawa, April 23, 1965. There was only a rope barrier in front of the stage; the crowd kept pressing in close until the DJ MC said the show would stop unless everyone went back. The Stones ceased playing. After some minutes’ muttering we started to. At which precise moment the band charged into “Everybody”, we charged forward, the MC gave up.
Priceless (and I hope I’ve remembered the right song they came back with).
Mark
Ottawa
What Rob Huck said.
Dylan was a brilliant songwriter. He is not and was never a good singer and neither was Neil Young for that matter and while we are at it, Mick Jagger was never a master singer that could reach notes like say, the late Freddy Mercury of Queen for example…
…All these Rock and Folk legends have is instant recognition from decades of exposure. In today’s stifling and overcrowded music scene, Dylan, Young and Jagger would never make it in American Idol. They simply never had the pipes to do it…They became famous because of Originality, songwriting and stage presence/showmanship (Applies only to Jagger here). They all come from an era of music transitions, novelty and controversial aspects of their art; The Rolling Stones being the bad boys compared to the Beatles for example.
Jagger’s decades old but still distinctive swagger, mannerisms and stage presence still commands and controls an audience. He is still ultra skinny and fit and doesn’t seem to be wearing a hair piece either…Unlike the last years of Elvis, Mick Jagger still looks cool and proves that Rock and Roll is now old enough to be for all ages.
Old Mick is just like fine wine, the amazing little rooster has more talent than any rapper ever killed for. No props and explosions, just straight ahead rock and roll, his generation made it on drive and talent, not like this abomination Gaga.
Snarky geezers are required to provide a 3 dance video before permission to post critical comments will be granted.
“””Snarky geezers are required to provide a 3 dance video “””
hey “I kan’t dance”:-)))
I’v only ever went to two live concerts, the goofy stones was the second and last ever, they can’t sing live worth sh!t
but I have every one of their records:-))))
Any bets as to where Lady Gag Gag will be in 2 years? The clearance bins. Many of the artistes are making it on sheer gawdiness, autotune and brilliant PR. Yes Dylan was a joke. I was embarrassed for him. Jagger? Better moves than many of his grandkids.
Now I’m not saying my generations groups were great (Grand Funk musically sucked big time) but what they lacked in talent was more than made up for with passion. I’ve taught my kids and grandkids that ALL music has its place. My dad taught me the same.
Justin Bieber and Lady Ga Ga may not be my cup of tea but it would be a dreadfully boring world if all we had was one song, one singer and no one to listen.
“not like this abomination Gaga.”
What you “geezers” don’t understand is that acts like Gaga and Eminem thrive off your indignation. Gaga’s not quite my genre, but it’s unanimous in my home that she’s the iSht. Eminem’s place in history goes without saying(his performance was the best BTW).
FYI Eminem was the top album selling artist in the 2000s. This alone secures his status as one of the greatest recording artists of all time.
“He(Eminem) has now lost the album of the year category three times, and has yet to win an award for record or song of the year. His career haul stands at 13.”
It’s doubtful that Eminem had any false hopes of winning the “Album of the Year” which he clearly should have. This isn’t the first token rock band that has been given the “Best Album” award when there was a clear front runner in the Hip Hop gender. In 2009 another album that nobody had heard(Raising Sand-Robert Plant/Alison Krauss) beat Lil’Wayne’s ‘The Carter III’ for Album of the Year.
“The Rolling Stones being the bad boys compared to the Beatles for example.”
Terry Tory, I don’t remember it quite that way. Jagger came from an upper middle class family, and the Stones never really paid their dues the way the Beatles did. They got to ride the wave once the Beatles were established. The Beatles worked their way up in some of the scariest clubs in Europe. They were punk before punk was cool.
Jaggers arrest for pot possession was strategically planned to avoid taking on too big a fish. The cops waited for George Harrison to leave before they raided Mick’s apartment. Keith Richard’s herion addiction didn’t make him a bad boy, it just made him an addict.
I was asked if I planned to go to a Stones concert in Edmonton, back in the 90s, and my response then was the same as now. Why would I pay good money to watch a band who hasn’t had a hit since 1966?
The best music has mostly been written at this point. That’s why the newer acts rely far more on marketing and props than those from the past. It’s also why the longevity of “hits” has been getting shorter and shorter.
Music today is really just a vehicle for marketing other products, whereas in the past the music was the main thing being sold.
This Snarky geezer votes for Mr. Mick.
The Who: greatest band ever.
(cue cartoon-scampering sound effect)
My kids and I got a kick out of watching Mick strut around the stage! He got their attention, that’s for sure.
Listening to Babs was like getting stuck in an elevator in say, 1973….my daughter said, “That singing is horrible!”
And I always wonder why these talented young singers like Rihanna, etc. lend a hand to the rappers who have absolutely no talent except shouting and swearing. The only passable parts of those performances was the short singing interludes of the girls.
In 2009 another album that nobody had heard(Raising Sand-Robert Plant/Alison Krauss)
Raising Sand is an excellent album, and was certified platinum.
Plus it featured actual songs, not some auto-tuned jackass squawking into a microphone over top of some boring hackneyed beats.
poor zimmy can’t catch a break from this crowd….
it’s not enuff to be a brilliant and prolific poet….and he has a voice that perfectly complements the poems….so there…
viddy ‘man of constant sorrow’ on youtube….viddy ‘nashville skyline’…
‘the who’ ????…has beens at the height of their so called career…and i knew townsend was a kiddy diddler first time i saw the silly prawn……utterly forgettable tunes….mebbe 2 or 3 ‘hits’ in their 15 minutes of fame whereas zimmy has quite literally written a thousand poems…and the melodies AND the arrangements..
the ‘who’….????….fap and fuddlery forsoothed…and they never ever got to the toppermost of the poppermost either…not a goddamn word they warbled ever resonated….
grumble mumble gnash
“Snarky geezers are required to provide a 3 dance video ”
Great. An excuse to wear a thong.
The sad commentary is that Stefani Germanotta is a virtuoso pianist. She is hiding her true musical talent behind this commercial flash and glam, and making a ton of money doing it. She is very smart, she’s making a fortune and milking every dollar out of it.
Since most of the new music sucks, I mostly listen to 60’s on XM, and occasionally 70’s and 80’s. Some of the best stuff on 60’s is early Beatles and Stones, in my opinion. Petula Clark and Dionne Warwick can’t be beat though.
The Video is dead… Copyright stuff…
Streisands a legend????
Waterhorse
I’m not dissing the album, I’m simply saying that I didn’t, or anyone else I know, hear of the album until it won the award. Platinum status not withstanding.
I think SDA takes the cake for the most ‘grammys and grampys’ in one place, making fools of themselves commenting on music that’s long past seen it’s day. You all give Bill O’Reilly a run for looking and sounding silly when opining on music and pop culture. Your knowledge of music has dulled to the point of ineptitude because your close mindedness, and the fact that you’ve likely ignored music for that last 30 years. Comments like ‘all the good music’s been made’ and whatever other baffle gab yous’a speaking is no different than claiming ‘science is settled’.
So enjoy what you enjoy everybody. That’s what you’re supposed to do; but please, do youself a favor and zip-it when speaking about something you obviously (and admit) know nothing about. You cannot ignore the last 20-30 years of relevant music and claim to be an expert (or even knowledgeable) about modern music. Period.
BTW, show me the law that says USING AUTO-TUNE DISQUALIFIES YOU FROM MAKING A GOOD SONG.
(electronically modiefied)Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh!
“Zimmy” was a shameless imitation of Woodie Guthrie. Even his haircut, and T-shirt came straight from a Guthrie photo. His melodies were non-existent(try to whistle one sometime), and his lyrics were, well, silly.
Neil Young, on the other hand, made up for a not so sweet voice, with well written melodies.
I’ll admit, I haven’t been able to listen to an entire Who song, without thinking of Townshend’s little secret. Not like it wasn’t obvious, with songs like “Fiddle About” and “Cousin Kevin”, but I thought it was just fantasy. Damn, I wish entertainer’s lives weren’t so public.
soccermom
Rappers often use R&B singers in their hooks for the pop cross-over songs that are necessary for main stream radio play. This is similar artists from other genres like Amy Winehouse and Nora Jones who also seek some main stream shine by using rappers in their songs. Whether it’s Country, Hip Hop, Blues or Jazz artists often form coalitions so to speak of various artists and styles to appeal across musical lines. The other method is the straight cross-over to pop for a few songs on each album for the same effect. This cross-over invariably pisses-off the hardcore music fans because of it’s watered down nature but I digress. The song with Rhianna you speak of is considered ‘fast forward material’ for most Eminem fans; and is simple ‘candy’ for folks like you they wish to sell records to.
Just some insight for ya.
BTW, show me the law that says USING AUTO-TUNE DISQUALIFIES YOU FROM MAKING A GOOD SONG.
It’s the same one that says if you’re a talentless rap “artist”, you have to use it as a played-out hack cliche on every “song” you “write”.
I’m not dissing the album, I’m simply saying that I didn’t, or anyone else I know, hear of the album until it won the award.
Your ignorance of the musical scene is noted.
I have Raising Sand in the truck right now.
very eclectic.
and Plant must have known he had something going to not go on a Zep tour.
Indiana Homez: to me it just proves how much more talented the singers are than the “angry fast talkers who continually grab their crotches and do weird motions with their fingers”…LOL
I prefer to skip over the talking parts. The singing is actually quite good. Build an actual song on the singing, nix the talking, and you’d have a pretty good “rekkid” too
I want to assault my TV whenever a rapper makes an ugly appearance on there.
Don’t discredit the entire rap/hip hop genre when the only material you’ve heard is the top 40 stuff. I wouldn’t be a fan of Alison Krauss if I believed all modern country music sounded like Shania Twain.
Although Hudson, Aguilera, et al did not appear to interact very well (not enough group practice time?), the tribute to Aretha Franklin was very well done. Jennifer Hudson has an amazing voice and they sounded terrific together.
As for the Stones, lots of high school memories. Jagger will always be Jagger.
It’s ‘settled’ Kaga, no need for knowledge of material here.
Don’t knock _rap music.
The “C” is silent.
Some people…sheesh.
What Indiana Homez said.
I know you’re a huge rap/hip hop fan Indiana Homez. I couldn’t let you go through it alone 🙂
sorry coach…
you’re wrong on every count….back to double A ball for you….Waco beckons!
i think record sales and longevity mean something…you don’t…..i think the opinion of his fellow musicians counts for something…you don’t…
but as always chacun a son gout…which translates as ‘your taste is all in your mouth’.
remember how they laffed at baudelaire….how they laffed at rimbaud….they laffed at dowson….but they ain’t laffing now…
so howsabout tom waits coach…does HE have a voice?
If you’ve been raised on melodies, you’ll never consider hip hop to be music. It’s a tribal beat, similar to Inuit throat singing. Unless you belong to that particular hip hop tribe, the beat seems out of sync. There is no melody in hip hop. It’s simply a variation of the sequence of repeating the words Ni**er, f**k, b**ch, ho, glock, and gangsta, all to the same basic beat. Every hip hop/rap song has exactly the same melody(or lack of) as every other. Having Jimmy Page play a couple of riffs from Cashmere does not turn a hip hop song into a Led Zeppelin classic. It does give Jimmy a chance to make a few bucks, and get back in the lights, so what the hell.
Old joke:
A woman walks into a beauty shop and tells the hairdresser “I want to look just like Barbra Streisand!”
So the hairdresser broke her nose.
Well done coach, an actual analysis. As Kaga alluded to, many rappers are trying to incorporate melodies to get cross-over appeal. This is why the hardcore fan or purest would agree with Jay-Z when he says “My rap don’t have melodies, this iSht make jackers wanna go commit felonies” in the song DOA(Death of Autotune).
Now where I’ll disagree with you is your assertion that the lyrics are just a repetition of single syllable words. I’m an avid reader, and the top rappers are pushing the limits of poetry and poetic devises, but you cannot possibly know this without years of investment in the music.JMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMuf_ekJhOs
here’s the link to DOA
coach @10:42 – “Terry Tory, I don’t remember it quite that way. Jagger came from an upper middle class family, and the Stones never really paid their dues the way the Beatles did.”
You can find very early interviews with Mick where he still has a very middle-class (“standard received”) accent. The Beatles were working-class boys and the Stones by and large were not, but the Beatles were marketed to the teenyboppers of their time (this is the early, pre-psychedelic Beatles) as cute ‘n cuddly, while the Rolling Stones were meant to be bad boys.
Anyway I can’t watch the video because the Grammy’s had “blocked it on copyright grounds”.
Also, soccermom
What you speak of is exactly what I and others like me do when the rappers done rapping. We fast forward(ol’school term) to the next song to miss the pointless 8-16 bar melody. Personally, get rid of the singer, and replace her with a fresh DJ on the 1s and 2s along with some sick scratching in the breaks.
I paid huge dollars for four of us to see the Stones “final” tour in Chicago several years ago. It was worth every nickel. I’m a jingoist American patriot first and foremost but the Stones are the greatest rock band that ever played. The Police are second. American Rock is a favorite but the bands and artists split at the drop of a hat and don’t have near the catalog.
P.S. Neil Young is a bigoted jack-wagon who’s name should never grace the threads of this blog.
Homez- I used to have an employee who had a mobile DJ business on the side. I can tell you’re also connected to the industry, somehow. You’re certainly right about most of us not having the time to study and understand a lot of music trends.
That guy who worked for me was a real Springsteen fan, and he got to see him live in Central Park NY. He admitted to me later, that the opening band(The Allman Brothers) put on a better performance.
I’m the first to admit, my musical tastes are very narrow in scope. Having sons who played in bands broadened it slightly, but their tastes were never far from mine. One of their school friends is doing okay with his hip hop band, and everyone supports him, even those who don’t go for the genre.
I feel bad for knocking the Stones earlier. They had some darn good tunes, back in the day. Paint it Black was as good a tribute song as was ever written.
Olde Spice said: “Any bets as to where Lady Gag Gag will be in 2 years? The clearance bins.”
Right next to the 2008 Obama Commemorative plates and copies of Avatar. Oh. Yeah.
What’s playing on this snarky geezer’s Winamp right now? Dash Berlin, “Never Cry Again” (extended mix). Previous to that was Johnny Winter “From a Buick Six”, preceded by Enya and The Chieftains. Think there was some Clannad in there someplace too. Oops, Dash is over, now its Sparks & Jane Wedlin, “Cool Places”.
The Phantom gets around. Not bad for an Olde Guy, I figure.
Oh yes, new link, never mind.
Indy, I have a lot a time for some rap, but I know its effects can be destructive (and not like in a “Madonna was too sexy” hysterical soccermom way kind of destructive [BTW Gaga is the defective lovechild of Madge and Marilyn Manson]).
A tale from my largely mind-numbingly boring life: I once spent two weeks at a field school (we were looking at rock paintings) with a bunch of archaeology students in the Aussie outback; not Crocodile Dundee territory exactly, but at least an hour’s drive behind Darwin. I think a lot of Australian Aboriginals are pretty integrated but these guys weren’t. They had a nice school set up with lots of computers (we stayed there) but I guess a lot of them didn’t bother with it much and the people had a tendency to pick up and “go bush” (that was really the expression they used) whenever they felt like it. The guys would walk around barefoot, including up the mini-mountains where we were annoying their rock art and trying not to desecrate their graves. A bit like an Indian reserve maybe but less rooted.
Booze was a huge problem, and so was gas huffing. My point is this – the contact with White Australian culture there was minimal, but the biggest evidence of it was rap/hip hop. Kids were wearing 50 Cent t-shirts, the graffitti, such as it was, was roughly half wonderfully/freakishly archaic anthe other half slogans about 2Pac, Ludacris, etc. etc. The girls, and I mean really young girls, would go with their whole extended families and dance around to urban American music in a pretty damned shocking manner every few nights at the get-together place 200-yards from the school (i.e. 250 yards from the crocodile-filled billabong). No booze allowed there thank God. I have to assume that when anyone from Gunbalanya (Oenpelli) drove into Darwin they brought back hip hop tapes (this wasn’t long ago they hadn’t graduated to CDs), and little else. The point was that hip-hop was dark-skinned, violent, aggressive, misogynistic, and from what I saw pretty much the only thing about the broader Australian culture they took to heart.
Sorry if the rant is over long, but I’d like Indy if noone else to understand why I cosider hip hop sometimes more than a little sinister. I can safely say it was’t doing these people any good.