Oliver Darcy is one of my new heroes. With a simple, yet brilliant stroke of genius, he has figured out a way to effectively communicate to young liberals why the fiscal policies of their Great Messiah Obama are absolutely ineffective and unacceptable.
Finally, for the first time in their lives, these left-wing students are being challenged to defend their long-held beliefs. And lo and behold, they’re instantly discovering that it’s a whole lot easier to insist upon others giving up their capital than it is to give away one’s own.
Each of them now has a choice to make: Grow up and admit that socialism and wealth distribution absolutely does not work -or- live their lives with that little voice of hypocrisy constantly haunting them.
For all those loons who believe all men are created equal…..I vigourously recommend that they do not climb into the ring with Mike Tyson……
Tyson – the steroid tooth fairy.
Buffet could get Bernie Madoff to do his taxes, that would cure his guilt..,or Buffet can pay more taxes by simply having more of his income taken from the Corporation in the form of Wages.. That way he would pay payroll taxes SS Etc.. NO Cap of SS or Medicare…Buffet can make all kinds of choices that would increase his taxation…
The flaw in taxing the VERY rich is that they have Options (Smart Tax Lawyers) in how they treat what is considered “available” income…
Buffet is a Turd complaining he stinks..
it’s always easier to say “raise taxes” when you don’t pay any…these kids are going to school to get jobs that pay well…when they see the portion of their first paycheque that disappears into the black hole of tax and spend liebralism, they may well realize that they were mouthing the wrong party’s mantras…it usually happens that way…I forget who said “a conservative is a liebral with a job”.
as for fiscal crisises….this pretty much sums up why the youth take the stance they do…
http://img2.smackjeeves.com/images/uploaded/comics/6/e/6eb17c9401zLm.jpg
What is really funny is the people that think they are socialists don’t know what it really entails. A good comrade put a 100% effort into taking care of himself and his family, then an extra 10% or so for the collective. These people aren’t socialists there leeches, for them to get as high up the evolutionary ladder as commies are they need to
1 get off the coach
2 get out of mommies basement
3 put in an effort for themselves and there collective.
…and thats why socialism/communism well all
those isms never work. The only supporters are the takers.
Just like Thomas_L. said:There are no socialists just those who want others to be socialists.
Make money for doing nothing? WELFARE.
Davenport said: “I guess if my GPA was 370.0 (on a 4-point scale) and someone else’s was 2.0, I might agree to have mine reduced to 369.0 in order to bump theirs up to 3.0, if it meant they could then afford, say, adequate housing or access to health care.”
Sure. How about if they whack you down from 3.7 to 2.7, dump your taxed 1.0 into a system that consumes 0.8 of your marks to give 0.20 points to some 1.0 numbskull who doesn’t go to class? That’s a 30% tax rate Davy. We actually pay -more- than that.
Oh sorry, I introduced a percentage. Hope it didn’t hurt.
“Truly brilliant kids – just like that rare fellow who is fortunate enough to inherit millions – don’t have to ‘work’ for their GPAs either.”
Being brilliant doesn’t mean you’re born knowing everything; at best it means you’re able to remember information with less effort, and do pattern recognition and calculations more easily. You still have to work in order to learn new information and display your abilities to your instructors – you just don’t need to work as hard.
On the other hand, you end up having to deal with different challenges; for instance, when I was taking computer programming at school I was writing complex programs while everyone was still learning the basics of if-else statements and loops, yet I still got a mediocre mark in the class simply because I was bored out of my skull and refused to show up or do the assigned work (in my final year I skipped more than 3/4 of my classes). I’d get 100% on the final exam, yet have a 70% mark for the overall course. If I had been willing to put in more effort, I would have gotten far better marks. So yes, it still takes work, regardless of any inherent capabilities you may have. Whereas Paris Hilton could spend her entire life lying on a couch watching soap operas, and still be a millionaire. For that reason, among many others, it’s an invalid comparison.
Socialists, and that includes our trolls here, do not grasp the first thing about economics and human behaviour, and definitely not that the two are inextricably intertwined. In the socialist view, human behaviour and economics are not linked and goofy economic policy will not influence human behaviour -viz the morally bankrupt social welfare state in the UK. The same can be said of the kind of corporatist welfare we practice only too well in Canada – crony capitalism – which in certain circles wraps itself in the cloak of self-righteous conservatism, and I include the supply management practices (dairy, poultry, wheat) our yeoman farmers revel in – at least in Eastern Canada. There is no remedy other than reducing government dramatically to cure both of those ails.
FREE,
I’ve heard many people get through college with good marks by being on the coach though…
Trollex, thanks for rising to the bait so beautifully. Only a truly dedicated troll such as yourself could be so wrong for so long without giving up out of pure embarrassment. You’re a credit to the SDA trollocracy. Congratulations.
I’m sure your mum will be proud. You should run upstairs and tell her!
“Trollex, thanks for rising to the bait so beautifully”
So, let me get this straight … you’re baiting me, but I’m the troll?
Thank you, doofus, for so clearly demonstrating just how clueless you really are. While ignorance of complex issues seems to be fairly common in these parts, your inability to comprehend the basics of the English language put you in a class of your own. Congrats, champ!
Healthcare, welfare, old folks and the CBC are all paid for by you and me. Which one of these things is not like the other?
lefties are just too stoopid to git it,Eh!!
the poor in america are richer than most people in the second and third world nations, and that’s because the RICH provide jobs for the tax payers, now chase those rich away by over taxing, and the poor will learn to understand third world poverty
Everything is easy for the person who is not starving. If these students would rather eat a bowl of wax than share their grades with a less-qualified student, what makes them think that a hard-working citizen is going to hand over his disposable income to a layabout?
Unbelievable.
Talk about loony.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1111917922001/stein-tax-rich-more
I thought Ben Stein was smarter than that.
He’s an economist? I thought he was an actor.
I wish the guy had pointed out to the smart kids that it really doesn’t matter what they think because the bottom 90% is just going to take their GPAs because they have the votes to do it and there’s nothing that they can do about it. It’s called democracy and they are in the minority.
Also, the dude who pointed out that rich guys are making their “dough” off the backs of the poor serf workers – does it ever occur to you where the serf workers would be without their rich overlords??? Without a job and starving in the streets – that’s where. The people who are working for minimum wage their whole lives would never create the kind of employment that the rich guy who employs them now does.
“Those students earning the high grades didn’t earn them on the backs of others who were forced to study for them or face going hungry and poor”
Mouthed like a true marxist idiot. Because anybody making “lots of money” does it on the backs of the poor, right Karl?
There is no virtue using the power of the state to extort the private property of people to hand out to others. Conservatives believe in helping people when they’re down, but our social safety net became a hammock long ago. There’s a big difference in helping those who are needing life necessities, and funding plasma screens and other luxury items to those who don’t want to work. Scr3w that, and any libtard who’s too stupid to see the difference.
What the moronic left doesn’t recognize is that self interest is a good thing: people work to provide for themselves and their families, and not bankroll freeloaders who don’t want to work. And I include government employees/public sector unionistas who remove cash from my pocket to give themselves better pay, benefits and retirement options than anybody doing similar work in the private sector.
mhb23re
That interview is another take of the parable that traveled the net a few years ago, which is still a good read
mhb
The worst part is that if the left wins the argument it will only push us into a deeper recession as more and more people start hoarding their money!
“What absolute drivel, as you cannot “pay them better” without additional negative consequences. You are either willfully obtuse, or not very smart.”
What negative consequences could possibly happen? Please enlighten me. They might have more money to spend? Might not be horrifically stressed by their poverty, so their relationships and parenting might be better? Yeah, I can see how that would suck. Now before you say this would increase the cost to the consumer, that’s not what I suggested. What I suggested is that the ultra-rich do not deserve to reward themselves at the expense of their workers wellbeing. OR… they could just pay more in taxes for the benefit of living in a nation that helped make them so wealthy, by helping to shoulder some of the costs of civilization. You basically want to go back to the days of feudalism.
“For all those loons who believe all men are created equal…..I vigourously recommend that they do not climb into the ring with Mike Tyson……”
So basically you think the very core of the Constitutions of every free and thriving nation are garbage. What a surprise.
“Just reading Ann Coulter’s new book ‘Demonic’ in which she highlights the ability of liberals to allow two diametrically opposite ideas to peacefully coexist inside their heads.”
Funny… perhaps you’ve heard of a man named Albert Einstein who once said: “The mark of a true genius is the ability to hold two seemingly contradictory ideas in mind at once.” No big shock this is beyond the grasp of the likes of Coulter.
You guys know you’re far right loons, right? I mean there are many websites further to the right of this one aside from Stormfront, and other sites like that. The reason you see people who advocate for mild socialism as “far left” is because there simply isn’t much to the right of you, therefore everything appears leftwing, even if it’s centre or even centre-right.
I may as well be talking to my refrigerator, so g’night I guess.
for instance, when I was taking computer programming at school I was writing complex programs while everyone was still learning the basics of if-else statements and loops, yet I still got a mediocre mark in the class simply because I was bored out of my skull and refused to show up or do the assigned work (in my final year I skipped more than 3/4 of my classes). I’d get 100% on the final exam, yet have a 70% mark for the overall course. If I had been willing to put in more effort, I would have gotten far better marks. So yes, it still takes work, regardless of any inherent capabilities you may have. Whereas Paris Hilton could spend her entire life lying on a couch watching soap operas, and still be a millionaire. For that reason, among many others, it’s an invalid comparison.
Posted by: Alex at August 18, 2011 8:05 PM
Ugh. The only ‘invalid comparison’ is using an exerpt from “Alex in Wonderland” as an example of ‘truly brilliant’.
John I do believe you are mistaken to think that the government can raise minimum wages and benefit the minimum wage earners. The fact is that it is not the wage earned that determines the value of the work performed. It is the job itself. Yes McDonalds sell cheap food. It does that by hiring young kids looking for their first job. Hopefully such a job will teach the young person two things.
1: How to work.
2: That working at a dead end job does not make a career.
Now I don’t know about you but where I live no one is a slave. Anyone can quit their job anytime they want and move to a higher paying job any time they are qualified and the job is available. Also anyone can start their own business and succeed or fail as often as they want. Life and the working part of it especially is never static. What’s more most minimum wage earners are there by choice and are kept there by their own fears and phobias.
I like the video that followed about Affirmative Action, {should black dominated basketball teams be forced to recruit whites and Asians regardless of skill}.
This is what the first video represents about equal sharing of wealth.
Do black basketball players deserve to dominate a sport in college that will allow them to go on to make millions of dollars a year simply because they are better skilled at basketball? Why can’t whites and Asians have the same opportunities in basketball simply because they can’t jump as high or be as physically skilled? Shouldn’t they be allowed on basketball teams due to their skin color to allow diversity and fairness?
This is where Alex’s argument falls apart. Some people are skilled at making money, some work hard at it and others the easy way. It’s the same with sports, earning a good GPA or earning money.
Societies become useless when you try and level the playing field. That is simply common sense. Some will rise and some will fall separating the wheat from the chaff. That human condition is how societies and mankind advance.
The concept is great but unfortunately it will go over the head of most students. I’m a tax adviser and had one graduate with her first job. One year she earned an extra $6,000 on a consulting assignment. When I told her she had to pay about $1,300 in taxes she was absolutely shocked. “But I always get a refund!” These kids don’t even understand that taxes are being withheld from their salary, so even when they are making big bucks many of them will still be liberals.
Lucky Lori & others >
Missed is the fact that GPA’s are not a level playing field through Affirmative Action.
Neither is candidacy for certain jobs especially in government and any essential emergency services (high paying, high benefit jobs). The city of Chicago just announced that it will hire 111 “BLACK ONLY” firemen over the next year.
Certain “minorities” across NA are given additional GPA scores based on their skin color, thus making the whole argument of sharing of GPA’s moot. It already happens and it is forced.
“What’s more most minimum wage earners are there by choice and are kept there by their own fears and phobias.”
And their attitude,Joe. I’ve had to start over many times with various businesses,it’s the nature of the industry I’m in. I’ve always been given a raise shortly after hiring,because the companies always value a person who shows up on time,sober,and doesn’t stand around half the day.
I’m no working class hero,just a person who doesn’t whine and bitch about the job,no matter how unpleasant,keeps coffee and lunch breaks to the allotted time,and is always seen to be doing something towards completion of the job.
I’ve noticed that most of the people trapped in minimum wage jobs are there because their poor attitude keeps them there, not “the evil companies”.
“I’ve noticed that most of the people trapped in minimum wage jobs are there because their poor attitude keeps them there, not “the evil companies”.”
But you basically agree that minimum wage jobs suck. And the thing is, very wealthy people rely on people to work those jobs at those wages, else they wouldn’t be so filthy rich.
My point is that for those few people to be filthy rich, millions have to work terrible jobs for low pay. You can pretend that there is an easy way out for them if they just “work harder”, but for many, there isn’t. It could be that they’re not super bright, or they never had the educational opportunities, or the live in an area so mindbendingly depressed that they can’t conceive of a way out. Is this a reason they shouldn’t be fairly compensated for their labour that helps keep the economy humming? This is why the US is a chumpocracy. (And despite this pathetic comparison to GPA, the students getting high grades are not doing so by taking skimming grades from the poorer performing students.)
All I’m saying is this… rich people can either pay them more so their lives don’t suck so bad, OR pay higher taxes so the state can improve the quality of services such as healthcare and education.
You guys support neither, instead, supporting the poor ultra-rich who worked soooooooo hard to earn their retardedly gigantic salaries.
It’s funny, but it was just 60 years ago that the generation you guys like to call “the greatest generation”, came back from the war and fought for the wages they deserved. And it’s taken big business just a few decades to convince people like you that they were wrong to do so.
This is the very definition of a useful idiots.
John >
The definition of “Useful Idiots” are people who believe that governments will take care of them, just get rid of the rich who provide real innovation and jobs.
The Government produces nothing. Anything they try and manage becomes corrupt, over bloated, and wasteful. The rich people you hate so much make the economies of the world happen. Obviously some people don’t have what it takes to be those people, but the worst useful idiots are the ones not smart enough to see how it all really works, from Babylon trough Ancient Egypt, Rome through the monarchies of Europe, from Stalin to Mao. They become the voice for government and empire, actually believing that the government beast loves them and would never hurt them, so why not let it grow.
John there’s an old axiom that is most appropriate in this case. A free enterprise advocate loves the rich which is why he wants everyone to be rich. A socialist loves the poor that is why he wants everyone to be poor.
The fact is that raising minimum wages does NOTHING to help those earning it. It simply bumps everyone else up the wage ratings so the result is the same as what was supposedly being eliminated. Minimum value work will always bring in minimum value return. The key to financial success is job mobility not inflation. If you work a minimum wage job its not because someone is ripping you off. Its because that is all that job is worth. If you think that some kid fresh out of high school working the burger joint is worth as much as a professional engineer or a multi-ticketed tradesman you’re deluding yourself.
Actually, government has produced a lot of incredible things. Western civilization for one. This crazy “government is bad” stuff has to stop. It’s crazy talk. Without government, we’d be drinking slop and breathing smoke. Do you think large corporations would give a rats @ss about cleaning up their operations unless they were forced to? And this is just one tiny little thing governnment does.
Obviously, over-regulation and bloated bureaucracy is a bad idea, but the flipside, which is corporate anarchy is far, far worse. It was government regulation that kept Canadian banks from going the way of the US. (Despite the best efforts of the Conservatives to follow suite)
I don’t hate rich people. I just don’t think they deserve to focus so much power around themselves. This is what we’ve been fighting against for centuries, namely the ability for the very few to control all of the wealth and power in our society.
Get as rich as you want, BUT they have to pay descent wages so people can take care of themselves, or expect to pay taxes to provide descent services.
Again, you guys have no problem with thinking the labour of billions is worth virtually nothing, whereas some guy on the phone saying “hey, let’s move our operation to this fugged up country where we can pay little kids to make shoes” deserves to live like a king.
Jebus Cripes. Why would you think I believe a kid working in a burger joint deserves to be paid as much as a professional engineer? I said they deserve a descent wage that let’s them take care of themselves. Right now, minimum wage, certainly in the US, does not cover that. If you get sick, or your kids get sick, they are very likely going to get sicker. (And don’t hand me any crap about going to emergency, because they only treat people when things are looking dire)
Again… I am a centrist. I look like a socialist to you guys because you are far-right loons. If you, or people like you were allowed anywhere near government, things would go to sh!t in about 10 years.
John >
“government has produced a lot of incredible things. Western civilization for one”.
I wouldn’t even know where to start with that one.
People have created western civilization; governments have only tried to control the masses and rule them, always either keeping or creating an Elite hierarchy distinct from the masses.
You need to define Western Civilization – Does it start with Ancient Greece, Rome, The medieval Monarchs of Europe, British Empire, the founding of the USA?
In fact all the freedoms, liberties and rights you enjoy today were fought for to the death by people despite government in any given period or age. Your freedoms to become “wealthy” and potentially live free are an accumulation through the ages by other people fighting for those rights against governments of all stripes.
The early American founders were the pinnacle of human achievement in understanding human rights and providing a template of laws to hopefully guide future generations to even larger achievements. Big government and the slippery slope of socialism have eroded the rights of Americans to second class citizens in their own country. Who listens to the majority anymore, Obamba, Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Courts?
The US has now become almost indistinguishable from all the other failing Socialist countries, which are in turn ripe for civil anarchy and totalitarian rule. I don’t understand why you believe government does such incredible things. The American Founders did incredible things, by their sacrifices and through their intelligence they unequivocally warned to protect at all costs against the growth of government.
Let’s stick with contemporary Western civilization. Pretty good, no?
Now, the people who you say fought for rights… they usually either fought for those rights on behalf of governments/nations, OR they fought against governments for those rights to be enshrined in government.
It is these governments that protect against individuals who would enslave. Or individuals who so gather wealth around themselves as to tell others how to live their lives. Government tells companies that no, in fact you can’t dump that crap in the river. Governments tell employers that no, you can’t pay Blacks less than Whites.
And for crying out loud… stop worshiping the American founders. They were a bunch of smart guys, sure, and slave owners, BUT they set up a government that worked, and supported it. If their government was simple, it was because life was simpler then. Back then you could own people. You didn’t have to worry about crowding your neighbours, and you didn’t have to worry about things like the ecosystem, because it was so huge, and humanity’s impact was so small. It was a very different world, and you can’t pretend that it wasn’t.
John >
• As a footnote about rich people having too much power.
If government stayed out of the way of real Capitalism the markets (i.e. consumer) would decide who gets the business and may become rich. There have always been laws against monopolies and laws on the books for fair competition. It’s a bloated and corrupt government that does not enforce its own laws for special interest & business or abolishes laws like the Glass Steagal Act.
Governments function is supposed to be limited, to grease the wheels of the economy, enforce laws passed by Congress and protect the sovereignty of the nation. They do nothing of the sort with open borders, foreign wars and industrialized corruption. It’s not rich people allowing this to happen, its failure of government.
John, you appear to be a perfect example of a person who wholeheartedly believes things which are completely contradictory, can move the goalposts in an argument without even noticing, and can’t stick to the subject at hand.
John, did you follow the GPA example? Did you even watch the video? I can’t tell from this barrage of crapola you’ve commented here dude, you’re all over the map.
About the only communication you’ve delivered clearly is “you are far-right loons”. Every other thing you’ve done in this comment thread is either change the subject or non sequitur. Somebody says “GPA tax” and you say “I can haz cheezburger”.
Your skills at argumentation need some serious work my friend. You should think about that a little bit. If you think bigger stronger government is the way to go, hey go to ‘er. But you need to be able to SUPPORT your contention with something better than “you are far-right loons” because that is an unsupported opinion and don’t prove jack.
Oh Phantom… don’t pull that. Go back and read what I’ve said. Very clearly, I pointed out that this video is stupid for a number of very simple reasons.
Unlike the uber wealthy, these students didn’t earn their grades by making others work for them. No, they did it themselves. The point being that the rich in Western civilization like to live in a dreamworld where their wealth is solely their doing, and that the people in the trenches doing the work mean nothing.
All I’ve ever said is that those people deserve a decent living. Not asking for welfare for them, but simply fair wages and services like healthcare and education. That’s it. If you think some @sshole deserves to own 2000 swimming pools at the expense of these individuals, then there is no point in arguing, because we’ll never agree.
@Knight, government stayed out of the way of capitalism in the US, giving banks the right to loan however much money to people they wanted, and then selling off those loans to other banks, nearly dragging down the entire system with it. It is undeniable that regulation in this country saved us from the same fate. To pretend this isn’t the case is delusional.
Posted by: John – various.
The key issue here is that the wealthy elite DID NOT earn all that dough themselves. No, they earned it on the backs of people they pay poorly, and have little choice but to work for nigh slave wages.
Marxism 101: implement class warfare to divide the proletariat, and foment unrest. In a free market system, lamebrain, everyone has free will to do as they please – to pay people what their labor is worth, or over/underpay that amount, and even to work for whom they choose. With competition, companies that compete for a commodity (labor) deal with the irrefutable laws of supply/demand, and that is what sets wages, not greedy plutocrats chomping cigars in tight-fitting vests with gold watch fobs. You pay too little: you either get sub-par people or nobody, and you suffer. You pay market, or above market, you get better people, and you may prosper. You pay idiotic “living wages” as john & co advocate, you go out of business. No, the people these days who are doing well on the backs of others are the public sector unions, john, who have better pay, benefits and retirement options than anybody in the private sector. But I bet you don’t have any marxist issues with them, do you, Cupcake?
If you’re going to pay some loser minimum wage to work at McDonalds, at least give the poor bugger universal healthcare, and affordable education. If not, pay them better.
You pay them what they’re worth to your business, and government-mandated minimum wages don’t make their value any more by legislation. What do you think would happen with no minimum wage – that everybody would be working for 50 cents an hour, john? Likely you do. But it wouldn’t happen, because nobody would work for nearly free: you’d have business competing for workers, and – again – market forces would dictate what people are worth. Did you know minimum wage laws were enacted in the US so that whites could force blacks out of the job market, john? And that’s exactly what happened. Minimum wage laws hurt more people than they help, as every time the wage increases, people get laid off, especially young workers and foreigners. It hurts good employees, too: my 15yr old son has worked at a large retailer for a year, has had great reviews and customer compliments, and he’s up for a yearly review. They may or may not give him a raise as it’s their policy to only pay minimum wage; were there no false wage floor, they might just want to give him more than market rate in order to keep him. But when everybody pays the market minimum, good employees lose out.
Thanks you guys, the middleclass has stagnated, the poor are getting poorer, all while executive compensation keeps going up… even when they mange to bungle the economy
Hey, Karl, if Steve Jobs earns a gazillion bucks a year, how much food does that take off YOUR table? Why, that’s right, john: your purchase of apple products is… entirely… voluntary!! Very good. Now, if you want to see who’s really picking your pocket, why not b1tch against the wages/benefits of your local government workers or teachers, who – by legal fiat – have a monopoly on services that you have to pay for, under penalty of jail. See the difference, Genius?
Besides, the IRS figures show that the number of americans earning $10mil+ per year has almost HALVED since Maobama was annointed, and those earning $1M-$10M have dropped roughly 30%-40%. And when the rich investors lose their cash, or “rich” business owners, then the middle class and below suffer even more. Ever heard of a poor person starting up a business and hiring people, Einstein? Didn’t think so. But don’t worry: obama is doing his best to hurt the rich as well as the poor.
If you’re going to base your philosophy on some imaginary bearded guy who you think it the son of a god, then at least follow what he says, and don’t go putting words in his mouth.
No, dimwit, why don’t YOU try that. He told his followers to look after the poor and care for them, but that was voluntary; I don’t remember Chr1st mandating that the Romans steal half of his followers’ wages for redistribution to “the poor”. Please don’t try to use scripture if you don’t understand it.
What negative consequences could possibly happen… What I suggested is that the ultra-rich do not deserve to reward themselves at the expense of their workers wellbeing
They could likely lose their jobs as a result of a mandated “living wage”, as has been proven time and time again. I love you marxists who, like Maobama, rail against “Millionaires, Billionaires and those with corporate jets”. He mouths that like he has Tourrette’s. But the problem with socialism is that the bar for the “rich” is always and always dropping, in order to redistribute wealth. Now in the US, the bar for “millionaires” is what, $200-250K per year? When obama was immaculated, it was over $250K. Under Clinton, it was $500k. But by necessity, it must keep dropping in order to spend and redistribute. How long, john, before you rail against those making more than $150K or $100K? For you socialists, the goal is to pillory anybody who makes more than you, or has more. Q.E.D.
You guys know you’re far right loons, right? I mean there are many websites further to the right of this one aside from Stormfront
No, idiot. We just seem that way because you’re at or to the left of marx and lenin, that’s all.
But you basically agree that minimum wage jobs suck…All I’m saying is this… rich people can either pay them more so their lives don’t suck so bad, OR pay higher taxes so the state can improve the quality of services such as healthcare and education
Talk about useful idiots! Yes, minimum wage jobs pay low: that’s tough, but those aren’t jobs intended for people to spend their working careers at. They are jobs to introduce people to the workforce, to give them skills and training so they can move out and upwards, not spend their lives there. Or would you be happy to pay $5 or $10 for a Tim’s coffee, so that the highschool student behind the counter (assuming the restaurant can afford to hire him) makes a “living wage”? Wonderful Stage 1 thinking, as Sowell would intone. And why is it the job of the “ultra-rich”, the “rich”, the middle class or anybody else to ensure somebody else’s life doesn’t “suck”? That’s true liberalism on display: my life is crap, and it’s YOUR collective responsibility to do something about it. Do you know how crazy you sound, john? Seriously unhinged. And if you want to “improve the quality of services such as healthcare and education”, then man up and admit why they are so bad: they are unionized government monopolies with unlimited funding and no competition. Solve that, and you might have a chance at improving them, otherwise embrace the same old useless crap you’re receiving now.
Actually, government has produced a lot of incredible things. Western civilization for one.
More big government liberal love on display. Tell me, john, of the things you enjoy in your life right now, which of them were brought to you by government? Your TV? Satellite dish? Computer? MP3 player or Ipod? Cell phone? Any of the medical technology used to cure your ills, or medicate you? Your home? Your car? And so on. All of these were brought to you by the private sector, because that’s where innovations come from, NOT the government. The government imposes taxes and regulations on private companies that stifle growth, not improve it. How many of those luxuries did the people have in soviet russia, john? Yeah, almost none of them. Oh, wait: you likely pray at the shrine of St. Tommy and his Socialized Medicine, so you’re likely ebullient over the boffo service your get there, eh?
I don’t hate rich people. I just don’t think they deserve to focus so much power around themselves…Tax the poop out of those rich bastards, or make them pay living wages.
Balls. If you don’t “hate” them in the true sense of the word (it looks that way, doesn’t it?), then you resent the hell out of them, and believe they owe you and the rest of your leftard social misfits some of what they have, don’t you?
They were a bunch of smart guys, sure, and slave owners, BUT they set up a government that worked, and supported it
They were visionaries, and their beliefs of free enterprise, liberty, private property and free speech are sorely needed today, with the fight against same by the left. Their constitution was one of the greatest building blocks for a society ever written, no question. Our “constitution” is pathetic liberal tripe, as we don’t even protect private property in this country. Or would you equate “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” as a right with our worthless right to “Peace, Order and Good Government”?
Socialism in a mild form works very, very well. We are living in an example of this where people don’t have to go broke if they get sick
No, we just die in line waiting for treatment. And before obamacare, the US had the best system in the world that could have been made better with opened state borders for purchasing health insurance, and tort reform. It’ll be just as bad as any socialised system if obamacare kicks in. AS for socialism in a mild form “working very well”, john, you wouldn’t happen to have watched the events in europe these past few months, have you? Thought not. Or waited in line at your local emerg room, or checked out the curriculum in the local government school? Thought not. Yeah, socialism is a blast, all right.
This is the very definition of a useful idiots
No, john. Every post of yours has some degree of evidence of “useful idiocy”, and it’s plain for all to see. In order not to look as stupid as you are, I’d recommend do a bit of conservative/free market reading before posting here, or go to rabble where your kind of borg are embraced.
mhb23re at gmail d0t calm
Almost missed this recent john gem:
@Knight, government stayed out of the way of capitalism in the US, giving banks the right to loan however much money to people they wanted, and then selling off those loans to other banks, nearly dragging down the entire system with it. It is undeniable that regulation in this country saved us from the same fate. To pretend this isn’t the case is delusional.
No, john, YOU’RE delusional, and ignoring history. The evil banks were FORCED to give housing loans to the unemployed, those on welfare, and even illegals because the government forced them to. It was clinton/reno who threatened the banks with fines for “redlining” if they didn’t give loans to those who had no hope of qualifying (google “Community Reinvestment Act, which goes back to Carter).
If the banks were as truly evil and heartless as you leftoids claim, then if left to their own devices, the people above would never have received loans, and the housing industry would not have collapsed. The banks were left with worthless paper secured by Fannie/Freddy, and they tried to do something with that, which added to the house of cards (derivatives, etc). But had the democrats stayed out of the housing business, none of this would have happened.
John, let it go, OK? Shooting fish in a barrel gets boring, after a while.
mhb
“The evil banks were FORCED to give housing loans to the unemployed, those on welfare”
Bull. I don’t think the banks are evil, just greedy and stupid. Not unlike so many of the people who got themselves into the mess they did. Incidently, the folks at the Factcheck.org have published the following, which spreads the disaster around quite nicely, but the bottom line is this… Canadians were smarter than Americans, and a significant part of this was the regulatory bodies. Read it and weep.
The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.
Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.
Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.
Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.
The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.
Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.
Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.
Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.
The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.
An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.
Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.
John >
“Bull”.
This whole argument of Obamba & Acorn suing the Banks to force them into subprime loans is getting old. Here are some links to the court dockets.
http://www.mediacircus.com/2008/10/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra-to-force-it-to-make-bad-loans/
This is proof that you have no argument only ideological agenda. That makes people like you very dangerous and harmful to all the goodness that has separated the western way of life from the totalitarian muck of the greater world.
Posted by: Knight 99 at August 22, 2011 8:05 PM
You’re bang-on, Knight. Obama – Mr. Bigshot Legal Expert – his big litigation claim-to-fame was strong-arming banks to give loans to those who should never have received him.
Ahh, well. He edited the Harvard Law Review for how many years, and yet the only 2 things he published himself were his autobiographies. And he voted “present” in the Illinois senate for a few years, let us not forget.
Yeah. BHO – a real legal heavyweight.
mhb