Put out a “sacred fire,” set in the first place mainly to provoke, and it’s shock and petty scandal. Defecate in St. Paul’s, and I’ll bet this is the first time many reading this have heard of the outrage.
h/t Frank Q.
Put out a “sacred fire,” set in the first place mainly to provoke, and it’s shock and petty scandal. Defecate in St. Paul’s, and I’ll bet this is the first time many reading this have heard of the outrage.
h/t Frank Q.
Well I share some of Rex Murphy’s offense but I am some what indifferent to Russell Peter’s choice of cast for his special….
Yeah I enjoy the constant Christmas music on the radio over the holidays….an irritant to some I hear…
I not a catholic, much less a Christian…never was….but I enjoy attending Mid-night Mass…especially in Latin..
Maybe I’m a bit like Michelle Bachman….classy enough not to give them any satisfaction by taking offense……
It has been said that angels can fly…because they take themselves lightly…..
Unto everything there is a season…and our time is coming…..
Far from being offended, I take a perverse pleasure in the attempts of Peters et al. to be clever as they only expose their insipid idiocy.
Dropping a deuce in St. Paul’s is highly offensive, and just goes to show the class and respect inherent in the secular left.
Don’t be mad at Peters. If he weren’t a state funded comedian, he’d be driving a cab somewhere.
Maybe I have to go check into this church thing. That must be some powerful mojo if it so scares and enrages the leftards. And I have yet to see one thing which they are right about, so this may be interesting.
Hmmm.
Russel Peters can only be funny on CBC. He’s their proof of the multi culti success of modern Canada
Elsewhere, he’s of the mediocre at best talent level and would be nobody.
All this is besides the point. Let’s see Peters cast Pamela Anderson as Mohammed during ramadan and see how that goes over. Then you will see the gross inequalities present in this day and age all over the stupid west who seems to have lost all of its values in order to appease. You’d think we’d have learned something about appeasing from Hitler…
It is a new one to me that they’re using a venerated church as an outhouse, but it is not a surprise. When one thrives on outrage the “bar” keeps getting lowered. The barbarians inside the gate want to bring everyone else to their level and part of that is not allowed others to keep anything sacred. That’s the main failing of communism, we can only be equal (in outcomes) in squalor and ignorance. That’s why these 1% ers can’t see themselves as such, they only want to look at the material and, as such, ignore how differently they think and look at the world from the rest of us 99% ers.
Sorry if this comes across as disjointed, I didn’t want to write a full essay, but there’s so much in the background that I’m taking for granted that folks know that if we don’t share a common cultural glue the meanings will be lost.
Hey…if Pamela is good enough to play Borat’s love interest she’s surely qualified to play Russell Peters’ Virgin Mary…although it would probably be funnier with Margie Gillis…
“Russel Peters can only be funny on CBC. He’s their proof of the multi culti success of modern Canada
Elsewhere, he’s of the mediocre at best talent level and would be nobody.”
Sorry, but Peters ISN’T Rick Mercer,he has made it big in show business outside -our-little-corner-of-the-world.
Peters fills multiple-thousand person venues all over the world. He’s one of the biggest comedy acts in the world.
I don’t agree with this idea for the show,Pamela Anderson as Mary,agree with Rex Murphy,but Peters isn’t a small timer that owes his success to the Canadian taxpayer.
And not a single Mosque on the lefties target list. Could it be because these chickensh*ts know there would be some serious blowback ?
Rex Murphy is taking it a bit far…
Did he forget, for example, that all the first Europeans (including Christopher Columbus, btw) all came to north america to avoid religious persecutions at the hands of the historically intolerant Christians (so intolerant, in fact, that they have a 2000 year history of murdering anyone who was not a god-fearing follower of their religious nuts preaching in their churches; some think those days ended in the 1600s, those few would be drastically wrong, Richard Dawkins published hundreds of death threat letters he’s received over the years from “good Christians” for no other reason then admitting that there is no scientific evidence that any god ever existed and an abundance of scientific evidence that no god ever existed)…
Apparently, in a godless age, people don’t have to follow the Christian morals that we are constantly told that this non-existent god passed down on to man… strange, isn’t it, that the non-religious show they retain more morals then any Christians, yet Christians still insist all morals are from god?!
People have to grow up and get rid of their “god security blanket”!!!
Mocking Christians is like grabbing the low hanging fruit, lazy and without risk.
As a relapsed Catholic, I find the entire outrage thing superfluous…didn’t Jesus advocate turning the other cheek?
I prefer to do so by mocking the lazy bastards back.
My God is no security blanket; He’s a very present help in trouble but security blanket? No way.
Nikos Kazantzakis, who had some real problems with orthodox/Orthodox Christianity, in his autobiographical book Report to Greco, made a trenchant observation: “He [God/Jesus] is not the ‘Welcome!’ He is the ‘Bon voyage’!”
What that means, Scott, is that when we know we are loved and accepted by God — which actually is a welcome — He immediately sends us out into the world to be His hands, His feet, and His heart.
Just one example of the reality of the Christian God: The number-one provider of education world-wide is the Catholic Church. It’s in every corner of the globe providing not only education to the local populace but food, shelter, and solace. It’s also, next to the U.S. of A., the first-responder to natural disasters around the world — as are other Christian charities.
God as security blanket? Forget it! You’ll have the ride of your life in His service — and it won’t be safe or secure, not by a long shot.
“People have to grow up and get rid of their “god security blanket”!!!”
Yeah, we should all be mature like people who sneer at others’ deeply-held beliefs. What are you, 12?
Just remember friends, your modern atheist doesn’t disbelieve the existence of God. They HATE God. Hates him, Preciousss…!
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Ellie and batb
Scott has adopted a secular security blankie, one woven with the rich fabric of Richard Dawkins’ musings.
Although he is correct about the non-religous showing their morals…or lack thereof…
batb:
Just what my Orthodox priest in today’s church service said.
Life is not an easy ride and there are guaranteed to be plenty of troubles … God is NOT the security blanket but he gives us the gift of free will by which we can fight through our problems in finding the solution.
Also, today was the Sunday where we celebrated the memory of Gregory Palamas, whose actions ensured Orthodox unity of thought.
That’s opposed to the Bishop of Rome, who accepted the ideas Palamas rejected … which in future gave legitimacy to the Protestant movement.
A very important juncture in church history.
The Phantom
I have a theory about that…It seems that those most vehemetly opposed to a moral code of conduct are the same folks who eschew any form of personal responsibility.
Abortions = birth control and choice, Artificial Insemination = birth control and choice, Education without knowledge testing, Wages without merit, Peace without War, harmony without strife, red ribbons without races and living without life…
btw,which team has God’s backing in today’s Grey Cup,about to start in a few minutes.
Or is it too small an event for Him to follow?
dmorris
I’m not sure if God follows the CFL but I have BC by three…
Hey, the God who counts the hair on your head does have some interest in the Grey Cup.
However, I could care less. Sorry, football fans!!!
synchrodox said: “I have a theory about that…It seems that those most vehemetly opposed to a moral code of conduct are the same folks who eschew any form of personal responsibility.”
Definitely. I’d wager they’re also people with some fairly questionable behavior in the personal live to account for. Nothing like a few skeletons in the ol’ closet to make you hope there’s no afterlife. Bet you Richard Dawkins has a whole Mt. Pleasant cemetery’s worth in his.
batb
Any idea what he’s calling..?
…you do know I’m tugging yer leg..;-)
Scott, don’t let facts stand in the way of your prejudices. Christopher Columbus was an Italian Catholic working for a Spanish Catholic monarch to find a sailing route to the Orient. The entire reason was to avoid the cost of the silk road which went through Muslim territory. In short it was a business venture.
Both Catholics and Protestants settled the Americas. The Puritans and Quakers were indeed sects that were persecuted in England and Holland yet they were allowed by the English crown to go to English colonies which were controlled by military governors appointed by the Crown. They were a small percentage of the English colonists. The reason the Puritans and Quakers get all the press is they were among the first settlers and they were different.
Thanks for this thread—and thanks to Rex for pointing out the obvious.
Pamela Schmamela as the BVM—hey, we’ve already had the Piss Christ and Mary made of dung . . . what else is new? But, yes, would this “outré” comedian dare to pull such a tawdry and juvenile stunt with any other religion, especially Islam, in the crosshairs?
Scott’s outed himself as a complete ignoramus and bigot. (Scott, why not try Google if you don’t know what you’re talking about? If you’re actually careful and attempt to fact check, a Google search might be able to help you.)
batb @5.01
It’s also, next to the U.S. of A., the first-responder to natural disasters around the world — as are other Christian charities.
My dear batb, I can’t tell you how grateful this lowly Protestant is to see you so kindly and generously include “other Christian charities” as participants in the good works done each year in service to the Lord.
Even Michael Coren couldn’t have put it better.
Atheist Richard Dawkins received dozens of death threats; Atheist Stalin issued death warrants by the million.
Somehow I do not think that Rex Murphy meant his article to be a magnet for Christian or faith bashing. His purpose was to show just what the left is actually made of, that being the scum of the earth.
Ellie, batb, gellen and Al well said. lookout is bang on at 6:56.
If a person has no belief, that is their prerogative. There is no need to ridicule those who have faith and the reverse is true. Free will and all that.
another Scott, exactly, my extended family knows all about Uncle Joe and his largess.
Wait a minute…
Aren’t we supposed to be screaming for the beheading of those who shat?
All religions being equal, of course.
Rex Newfie, bless him, has had a special place in his spleen for Plastic Pammy for as long as I’ve read him. Can’t argue with that.
The Occupy doofuses wouldn’t have time to drop one in a mosque. They’d have it scared out of them first and then kicked out of them. They’re cowards.
syncrodox, ‘no idea, ‘no direct line … and I know you’re pulling my leg! 😉
gellen, I know many, many Protestant Christians who serve the Lord in exemplary and sacrificial ways. That’s not the prerogative of only Catholics.
I’ve belonged to many multi-denominational prayer groups and truly value the contributions of other Christians who aren’t Catholic. I don’t want to step on any toes, but Baptist and Pentecostal friends have been particularly helpful in opening my eyes to the many powerful ways the Lord works in our lives and have illuminated the Scriptures in ways that have been extremely helpful to my understanding of God-with-us.
Russell Peters is free — ironically because of the Christian foundations of the West — to make fun of the Christmas story in any way he likes. But, as others have pointed out, it’s a cheap shot to target Christians at one of the most holy times in their calendar when he wouldn’t dream of showing such disrespect to any other religion — especially to Islam. He knows that no Christian is going to order a fatwa on him; he can’t be so sure of the Muslims.
Complimenting Rex Murphy’s article, from Melanie Phillips’ Web site (http://www.melaniephillips.com/the-world-turned-upside-down):
In what we tell ourselves is an age of reason, we are behaving increasingly irrationally. A loss of religious belief has led the West to replace reason and truth with ideology and prejudice [Scott?]. The result has been a kind of mass derangement, as truth and lies, right and wrong, victim and aggressor are all turned upside down. There is widespread belief in ludicrous conspiracy theories, such as the 9/11 terrorist attack being an American plot.
The basic cause of all this unreason is the erosion of the building blocks of western civilisation. We tell ourselves that religion and reason are incompatible, but in fact the opposite is the case. It was Christianity and the Hebrew Bible that gave us our concepts of reason, progress and an orderly world—the foundations of science and modernity.
The loss of religious belief has meant the West has replaced reason and truth with ideology and prejudice, which it enforces in the manner of a secular inquisition. The result has been a kind of mass derangement, as truth and lies, right and wrong, victim and aggressor are all turned upside down. In medieval-style witch-hunts, scientists who are skeptical of global warming are hounded from their posts; Israel is ferociously demonized; and the United States is vilified over the war on terror—all on the basis of falsehoods and propaganda that are believed as truth.
Thus the West is losing both its rationality and its freedoms. It is succumbing to a “soft totalitarianism”, which not only is creating an ugly mood of intolerance but is undermining its ability to defend itself against Islamic aggression. While the Islamists are intent on returning the free world to the seventh century, the West no longer seems willing or able to defend the modernity and rationalism that it brought into being.
At the risk of picking nits with my fellow Christian batb the problem isn’t the abandonment of religion. The left hasn’t abandoned religion they have simply changed religions. The problem we in the west have is that too many have abandoned the Christian religion.
Believe it or not folks the Guy who said, “I am the Way the Truth and the Life”, wasn’t lying. Abandon Him and the Truth found only in Him and the result is what you see amongst the post modernist adherents.
Scott at November 27, 2011 4:43 PM:
Did he forget, for example, that all the first Europeans (including Christopher Columbus, btw) all came to north america to avoid religious persecutions
Religious persecution had nothing to do with the Vikings coming to North America. Many European explorers came to seek a passage to the Orient. Many early European settlers came, not to avoid persecution per se, but to start a new society which would be more godly. Many others came for economic opportunity. To declare that all of the first Europeans came to avoid persecution suggests ignorance. To declare that Columbus came to avoid religious persecution is so far beyond ignorance as to clearly mark Scott as a troll, but I’ll play along a little.
at the hands of the historically intolerant Christians
Christians are historically no more intolerant than any other group. The left does like to apply its current definitions of tolerance and morality to periods of Western Civilization’s past without consideration of context and without juxtaposition with other Civilizations in order to demonize the West. It’s tiresome, but political radicals can’t convince a population to destroy itself without first promoting self-loathing in as many people as possible.
so intolerant, in fact, that they have a 2000 year history of murdering anyone
2000 years? Really? Are you sure about that number? For centuries, Christianity lacked either the means or the will to kill non-believers. Even when Christians gained enough power and influence to commit atrocities and unscrupulous opportunists attained leadership positions within Christian dominated societies, it was never the policy to murder all non-believers. I think you are confusing the doctrines of Christianity with the “convert or die” policies of other religions. Far from being murderous, the Christian philosophy of “turning the other cheek” has made Christian societies less murderous towards apostasy, unbelief and heresy than most other societies. That is not to say that persecution didn’t occur in some places or that atrocities weren’t committed once in a while, but, all-in-all, Christians were much more benign than most people. I would argue that that ultimately is why Christian societies, their culture and their philosophical products have come to dominate the globe.
some think those days ended in the 1600s, those few would be drastically wrong, Richard Dawkins published hundreds of death threat letters he’s received over the years from “good Christians”
So receiving death threat letters is the same thing as murdering people? You are confused. It is safe to say that the people writing the letters were not “good Christians”. I also think that pretty much any high-profile public figure nowadays receives death threats. Undoubtedly, there are many public figures who claim that they receive death threats when, in fact, they don’t in order to gain sympathy for themselves, to demonize their opposition or just to gain publicity.
for no other reason then admitting that there is no scientific evidence that any god ever existed and an abundance of scientific evidence that no god ever existed)…
It is not possible to prove via science that God exists or does not exist. Faith is faith. Science is science. The limitations of being human preclude the ability to judge the existence of a being, which is, by definition, infinitely superior to humans in every way. The Creationists and Intelligent Designers are foolish to try to play political games on the terms of the secularists, although it is certainly understandable why they try to do so. The secularists have done their best to expunge Christianity from Western societies and to get those societies to treat Christians with contempt. The end game of the secularists will not be pretty. As much as I would like to view the desecrations at St. Paul’s Cathedral as nothing but vulgar vandalism, I don’t. I see it as a pattern of dehumanizing Christians to the point that they will eventually be subjected to some horrific pogrom. The sequence of escalating deprivations against the Jews by the Nazis provides an historical guide as to what could happen.
Richard Dawkins has made a name and a fortune for himself, in part, by quite deliberately spitting in the face of the religious. He shouldn’t be too surprised that he made a great many people very angry. Certainty, Christians are not the only people who are deeply offended when someone calls them ignorant, simple-minded and delusional.
strange, isn’t it, that the non-religious show they retain more morals then any Christians,
Please provide a reference for this assertion.
yet Christians still insist all morals are from god?!
No they don’t, but they do insist that Christian morals come from God.
People have to grow up
Yes, they do. Part of growing up is learning that, if you want to live amongst other people, you must follow some rules. The immature demand that they be exempted from society’s rules and that they be allowed to make up their own rules of conduct. One of the most powerful effects of religious institutions is that they perpetuate and reinforce a system of values. Without those institutions, society must have some other institutions to promote societal standards of behavior or risk descending into anomie. The primary alternative to religion as a means of the long-term reinforcement of values is the Government, but without a transcendental basis for the values it promotes, the Government will always end up promoting values which are beneficial to those in Government at the expense of those who are not.
So, be tolerant Scott! It shouldn’t bother you that other people believe what they believe. Live and let live.
Some people in this thread are making the mistake of assuming that the left gives a pass to Islam out of fear. That may be true in some cases, but mostly it is done because the left and radical Islamists share a common cause – the destruction of Western societies. The joke will be on the left if they ever succeed. The political tactics of the left are predicated on the values of Western Civilization. If radical Islamists ever come to power, they will simply kill the leftists without compunction.
Scott:
People have to grow up and get rid of their “god security blanket”!!!
Yeah, Scott, why don’t you go outside of your local mosque and tell it to the people heading into prayers on Friday? Good luck with that…
When odious turd and confirmed bachelor Robert Mapplethorpe exhibited his “Piss Christ”, the outrage of Christians everywhere was dismissed by the no-nothing media. However, you have to give the avid pianist some credit for cunning; he didn’t follow that up with a “Piss Mohammed”. If he had, odds were that he would have died a lot sooner from something other than the AIDS that killed him.
Scott said, “People have to grow up and get rid of their “god security blanket”!!!”
That doesn’t give anyone the excuse ever to use anywhere inappropriate as a toilet. How would you feel if the protesters wandered by your house and crapped all over your lawn or porch or kitchen. Maybe they could use your place of work as a toilet. It’s completely wrong and immoral – not because it was a church but because it was disgusting, filthy, and completely insulting.
Cheers to Rex!
Fred:
Peters’ “special” isn’t on the CBC…
In my opinion, not doing the same thing to mosques is a far bigger insult. They’re basically acknowledging that a non-trivial portion of Muslims are violent enough to pursue some kind of violent retribution. On the other hand, they realize that Christians are (for the most part) peaceful and rational enough to suffer such offensiveness and not resort to violence.
That being said, defecating inside a church is just atrocious no matter who you are. There will always be a certain small subset of ANY group that lacks any sort of empathy, and will just be horrible people in general. Do not judge the entire group by the actions of these people.
Finally, being offended by a talk-show skit is just pitiful, especially considering that there’s like a 1/365 chance Yeshua was actually born on December 25, and Christmas was originally a pagan holiday celebrating the winter solstice. Get over it.
Sadistic Eristic nails it @ 9:43.
Richard Dawkins in his own words!
“I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity,in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rop0XB-nYE
@Cal at November 28, 2011 8:31 AM
For once in a great while, there is something reasonable in a youtube comment section.
frankenstyrene wrote in response to the youtube video in your link:
Kinda reminds me of all the pro-abortion activists who have had a change of heart after witnessing the consequences of Roe v. Wade. Sometimes people blindly demand societal changes without really considering the potential consequences of those changes.
“The Occupy doofuses wouldn’t have time to drop one in a mosque.”
The Occupy Whatever gang wouldn’t dare even camp out anywhere near a mosque so the question of what they might do inside one is entirely moot.