SDA regular Gord Tulk has written a comprehensive piece about the 2012 Alberta election, including much insight about the Wildrose Party. It’s lengthy but well worth a read.
SDA regular Gord Tulk has written a comprehensive piece about the 2012 Alberta election, including much insight about the Wildrose Party. It’s lengthy but well worth a read.
Alberta needs to return to Conservatism
And just what does conservatism mean to a freeloadin’ welfare bum like you, bartinsky?
Kinsella continues to say he banned me because I was committing libel in my post. That is not true – he is hiding behind his power to ban me.
Jeppo, the best case scenario would be 87 out of 87 for Wildrose, who are a big enough tent for a meaningful debate on Alberta’s future, leaving the three eastern collaborationist parties to whine about it in the Toronto press because the Alberta press has figured out it’s no longer good business practice to empty leftist cesspits into Albertan ears.
Maybe next time.
For now…as I said, 308.com is the court election predictor of the French Quebec elites, and as such completely missed the Conservative majority and the collapse of the Bloc. If even they are admitting Wildrose could pick up as many as 74 seats, I’d say 80 and a clean sweep outside Redmonton isn’t too much to hope for.
Wk continues to say he bann$d me because I was committing libal in my post. That is not true – he is hiding behind his power to ban me.
Finally got something through the filter..
Did you ever live in Sask. Phil? If so what did you do for work, if you did work?
Is teabaggin an adjective for some kind of horse manure tea? Teabag is a noun, I have never before heard of the noun, teabag, being used as an adverb or as a verb. humm.
It must really, really, really drive backphil NUTS that SDA gets results.
@phil
Have you ever been to lloydminster ab
Sk. Before Tommy the town was on the sk side. Not so much anymore. Also the rig Leduc #1 left SK. because of tommy. Thanks. Go Wildrose.
Here is copy of what I posted on wk’s site.
And This from wiki:
Jean Chrétien, who was the attorney general during negotiations of the Charter, later recalled in his memoirs that freedom of conscience was nearly excluded from the Charter. The federal and provincial negotiators found the right too difficult to define, and Chrétien eventually agreed to remove it. A legal advisor for the federal government, Pierre Genest, then kicked Chrétien’s chair, prompting Chrétien to joke, “I guess we leave it in. Trudeau’s spy just kicked me in the ass.”[4]
Maybe you are still fighting your former bosses fights… (and to think you just posted a lengthy essay celebrating the constitution that contains conscience rights. )
The freedom of conscience is a Canadian right. The wildrose wants to put in a formal system of adjudicating it that is a part of the current judicial system – not a separate one vulnerable to abuse like that of the HRCs.
Phew, got it through the filter.
Anything lib$lous in it?
Scar – not quite true. They didn’t just vote communist, the different brands of leftist (Communist, Progressive, National Socialist) actively fought and murdered for who would best represent “the workers”.
Banned from Kinsella’s site? I banned myself years ago. Aside from the Chretien-worship and the daddy-fetish (waaa – my dad died! I blame the cigarette companies!) I just didn’t want to have a litigation happy Liberal trying to track me down as his sue-du-jour.
GO GORD!
WRT Kinsella.. whaddaya expect from a zoophiliac liberast like that? A fair shake?
Wild Rose is opposed to Keystone? I never knew. Is their reasoning to build refineries here? If they can find someone to do that, I’m all on board.
I don’t see anything that could be construed as libelous Gord, provided the wiki citation is accurate. You just hit one of Katsmeat’s last nerves by casting his mancrush Chretien in a bad light.
We need a Wild Trilium, Hudack doesn’t cut it.
Is teabaggin an adjective for some kind of horse manure tea? Teabag is a noun, I have never before heard of the noun, teabag, being used as an adverb or as a verb. humm.
You’re putting me on, right?
Did you ever live in Sask. Phil? If so what did you do for work, if you did work?
Born and bred. Still a Walmart greeter in good standing.
Yoohoo, Phil! Your village is looking for you.
Turtle, lawn signs do mean something. Not ALL lawn signs, but the general gyst of an election is visible through lawn signs.
Very few people are willing to publicly announce any involvement in politics, let alone to have a partisan position. So, when someone puts up a lawn sign, they are making a major political statement.
Lawn signs ARE important.
syncro: Why is it when I think of Kinsella/ Chretien, Smithers and Monty Burns come to mind?
Gord, congratulations for getting banned by Warren with class (rather than trolling). It’s the ultimate carved-in-stone proof that you won the argument.
I got the same treatment about a year or so ago for one caustic comment about Scientology. Which really gave me some interesting thoughts, let me tell you.
phil at April 15, 2012 7:56 PM
Devine was not Conservative. He was a Liberal in a Blue suite, so typical of the epoch – see Joe Who?
Lol snagglepus…besides the physical resemblance there does seem to be a similar…umm…slightly off under current…
Give phil a break, he’s a typical NDP washout farmer, jealous that the guy down the mile drives a nicer 4×4. There was something mentioned about being molested by Hutterites at a colony or something on another thread, but we should let that one go.
When Canada wins a true conservative majority like the WRP one day, we will need to round up all the people named phil, buy them one way bus tickets, and drive them to China since they love it’s politics so much.
Gord, if what you posted above is true, I’m very troubled by Kinsella’s decision. One thing you didn’t mention is that the wikipedia quote above is sourced to Chretien’s biography. I would suggest that his biography is a very good source for Chretien`s version of the facts. I would also suggest that wikipedia tends to be very quick when it comes to removing poor citations of secondary sources (like biographies).
I’m also surprised that a person who has spent several posts on the “raw sewage” from Fern Hill suddenly refuses to post material that he considers “libel”, rather than refute it.
I`ve tried posting over there and there is no indication that my comment is pending approval. Maybe there is a good answer for my concerns, and I`m honest enough about myself to know that I don`t consider everything. However, where I used to consider Kinsella a good source to see potential arguments that I would not see here and I don`t have the greatest of self control when it comes to avoiding political websites, I may have to force myself to make an exception.
Phil, I have hardly been a free-loader. Started with nothing, don’t have much other than 3/4 480 acres and 1.5 mill of paid off equipment. But I agree with some of what you squall about, we have WR supporters in the Med Hat area with 40,000 acres of LEASE, (govt land) land with over 400 wells on said lands, and they take in, on renting out wellheads, well over a million from the oil companies every year on land they don’t even own, I understand your twitch Phil, these are the freeloading farmers/lazy asses you hate, I’m not one. The WR has a lot of good points, but they all lie with the leader, after her there are a lot of Randy Whites and other assorted nuts. We need Gord, to flush out the good Conservative candidates from the RedEd lefties and vote strategically.
Bhfan:
What I posted above is an exact copy of what I posted at WKs site. I always copied what I post whenever I refer to Chretien.
Howard Hughes >
No kidding, that Liberal hack Alison really thinks that pandering to the hard core left is going to buy her Albertan votes. LOL what an out of touch communist twit.
Fair enough, Gord. Kinsella is free to run his own website however he sees fit. This, to me, is similar to being able to kick people out of your house.
However, if
1)You invite people to your house to have a political discussion;
2)Someone brings up a fact that you don’t like; and
3)You kick them out of the house.
Your house is not a good place for political discussion and it makes you a bit of an embarrassment. At the last election, Liberal politicians were rejected by the Canadian populace. One would hope that the response of dedicated Liberals would be to engage with the Canadian people, including those that rejected their candidates. Kinsella’s response to this ordeal suggests that some Liberals are planning on doing the exact opposite.
Great read Gord.
4 years ago we had the opportunity to vote for the Wildrose and we did. To our great disappointment Alberta’s PC MLA population grew, and after so much out cry of their mismanagement.
Here’s to Alberta not taking the low road in 2012, and not giving the “devil you know” another mandate.
Proud Albertan and proud Wildrose member.
Hows this for the tolerant left – from WKs site:
Nurie Jahangeer says:
April 15, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Well, Warren may ban me from his web site too for the following posting, or at least not allow this particular posting to
see the light of day, but I thought it would be worth a try anyway!.
As both an immigrant and a visible minority lady who is disgusting by Mr Tulk’s repeatedly racist, sexist, homophobic
and anti-immigrant remarks on this web site, I had begun to do a little bit of detective work and was planning to build a
case against Mr Tulk at the Alberta Human Rights Commission. I had hoped to finally nail Mr Tulk with a formal complaint
to the Alberta Human Rights Commission.
Anyway, this is what my amateur and layman’s detective work discovered…
Gord Tulk: (my Facebook address and home phone number published by wk)
Turtle, lawn signs do mean something. Not ALL lawn signs, but the general gyst of an election is visible through lawn signs.
Very few people are willing to publicly announce any involvement in politics, let alone to have a partisan position. So, when someone puts up a lawn sign, they are making a major political statement.
Lawn signs ARE important.
~Robert of Ottawa
Great post Robert ofOttawa, I saw what turtle said earlier and just dismissed it as tripe unworthy of response like so many anti-WR posts from people who aren’t part of this campaign.
Not only do lawn signs show people in the area where the Big Dog is marking it also crushes the spirit of the opponent’s DK(Door Knocker) teams when they walk into an area and it’s already spoken for.
(in my case the candidate is Rob Anderson-WR incumbent- and our opponent is Kelly Hegg PC- former Airdrie City Alderman)
Rob’s seat is considered already won, Kelly Hegg is being crushed and the signage shows it BigTime.
I’ve personally been working DK 30+ hr/wk -leading teams and the response to WILDROSE here is exhilarating!
We’ve put out well over 1000 signs on private lawns in a city of 43K and I’ve got the last 4 unplanted signs in Airdrie in my car, not that they aren’t probably spoken for, we’ve got e-mails and phone calls demanding them from electors saying, “Where’s MY SIGN?!” …we just can’t keep up.
Today was supposed to be a day off for me and exhausted as I am I went out with my wife and planted another 36 signs that our team were too tired to plant yesterday night after 9:00PM.
It was a darn cold 11hr day yesterday from 10AM-9PM with snow/sleet and a north wind all day long.
At one point we had 4 teams operating in the Prairie Springs/Wind Song district of Airdrie.
I LOVE Airdrie volunteers!
Gord Tulk: are you saying that there are still people who pay attention to Warren Kinsella? Huh.
Mr. Tulk:
I see you are over here whining about being booted from WK’s site.
I love it. Keep on whining, you soft little lickspittle.
Sometimes lawn signs are an indication of a small, but vocal group. 1000 people with lawn signs might sound like a lot, but in a riding with 30-40 thousands people? Who cares?
It’s the mainstream that matter.
Phillip – laughter sounds like whining to you?
Jeff–sure, lawn signs are indicative of being vocal, but it’s very much a good tactic. Nothing succeeds like success and most people want to be on the winning team. So if you out-sign the opposition, people who are sitting on the fence see that and assume you’re winning–another vote earned.
This is probably a weird place to ask this question, but does anyone have any recommendations for a well-written liberal blog?
Who cares?
~jeff
The PCs care. The Liberals care. The NDP cares.
Even the local nutcase independent who is taking his 9th kick at the can to fail at being elected MLA here cares.
That is why they are all involved in the sign war, and the sign war is won by volunteer suppport with boots on the ground who walk up to dooks and KNOCK, and the number of volunteers is reflected by the number of supporters who are willing to say YES to having a sign on their private property.
(that’s how Rick Santorum came out of nowhere on a shoestring budget to make it to number 2 in the GOP Presidential candidate race late in the game, not with lawnsigns but with Door Knockers…the lawn signs are the visual manifestation of DK success in short one month Canadian campagnes)
Clearly those like you, jeff, neither comprehend nor care to comprehend.
(too bad you care to display you lack thereof)
Further, lawn signs are about name recognition.
The majority of Canadians are not politically engaged, but a sizable number still vote nonetheless.
Who then do they vote for?
Name recognition is key.
All the cool kids want Wildrose signs.
Here in Alberta there is something in the air, it’s almost electric.
People who haven’t voted for years are going to vote on April 23rd.
WILDROSE.
Oz wrote: “I saw what turtle said earlier and just dismissed it as tripe unworthy of response like so many anti-WR posts from people who aren’t part of this campaign.”
With respect, I’ve been working very hard for my WRA candidate, and not in a gimme constituency like you have. It’s an ugly four-way street fight here and we’re new to the game and don’t know all the dirty tricks our experienced opponents seem so well-versed in. We actually ration our signs because we can only afford a limited number, meanwhile our opponents are putting theirs out on the freeway because they have tons of $$$ and more signs than supporters.
My point was that I have learned you can’t tell a house is voting for candidate X just because they have his/her sign on the lawn. I stand by that.
turtle >
It seems like allot of people assume that everyone in a single dwelling votes the same way. Maybe mostly but not always, ever seen a couple fight? Yup not always the same political view either.
GORD TULK …. Remember me, Kinsella’s bane on and off his forum?
Stay off his ratshit forum filled with azzlicking Liberal sycophants, because you legitimized his forum with your erudite observations and winning arguments.
Kinsella is just a POSFH, and only offers blurts on his blog not worthy of consideration. He toys with his forum and now it’s devoid of valid political comments.
So, please don’t attempt to return and watch Kinsella waste away … along with his current favourite… McGuinty.
Further to the lawn signs …
I’m not in marketing but I’ve long wondered why people would pay big pucks for advertising on buses or in place on the side of the road. After all, most people will just see the ad for a split second. Yet smart business people pay to place ads in such places. There must be a reason why.
And thus, lawn signs must, in fact, matter.
With respect, I’ve been working very hard for my WRA candidate
~turtle
I’ve done a lot of door knocking and the vast majority of signs DO indicate support.
You are NOT knocking doors to teach or argue policy, that is your professional political candidate’s job, you are there as a volunteer to identify the vote and display local support.
I’ve had my first good home cooked sit-down meal tonight since the campaign started and I’m probably going to work DK for 21hrs this last week in addition to the 60+ I’ve worked this campaign even though my ankles and knees are screaming for relief.
(I also own and run my own 14yr old business)
Why do you show up here and say signs mean nothing when they truly do?
I’ve volunteered to work an 11hr shift as a scrutineer at one of our polls on the 23rd too.
(including up to 2 more hours counting ballots afterward so it may total 13hrs that day)
Wildrose is forming the government this year, even if your candidate loses.
If you can’t say something that advances Wildrose victory, then don’t say you’re working for Wildrose.
Stating negative crap like “signs mean nothing” is counterproductive.
Don’t suck and blow at the same time, turtle, you’ll go further in life.
Re: Robert W. (Vancouver) at April 16, 2012 2:10 AM
I’m sure that companies buying product placement ads in shows of all types is coincidence also. The more one sees something the more familiar and comfortable it seems. This isn’t new, isn’t it the theme of Aesop’s “the fox and the lion”?
Just an observation — in 1971, the sea-change election, popular vote was only PC 46% to SC 41%. Current polling is around WR 44% to PC 31%. NDP had about 11% in 1971 and is there today. Seat count in 1971 was PC 49, SC 25, NDP 1.
The only wild card is more Lib support (10%), which I suspect is more likely to have bled from the PCs than from Wildrose. In other words, don’t be surprised by 65+ seats for Wildrose.
Please know that the roots of this party all go back to Ted Byfield and his son Link… the brains behind the uber right wing Alberta Report. Please know that regardless of the candidates, the platform mandate will be swimming with anti-gay and anti-abortion sentiment, anything that is an ethnocentric right wing Christian view will be their main consideration. I hope all of you read up on the roots of this party, and that DAnielle Smith was a PC her whole life, and was approached by The Wildrose party because she didn’t like Stelmach’s governing. I would imagine if this was an election 4 years earlier, she would have run for PC if she could have… with that being said, I am not saying to vote PC, just that Danielle Smith has been a long time supporter. I think she is somewhat of a patsy for this uber right wing movement.
“was approached by The Wildrose party because she didn’t like Stelmach’s governing. I would imagine if this was an election 4 years earlier, she would have run for PC if she could have”
~stephanie
Your imagination is self-contradictory.
Fact is 4 years ago there was an election And Stelmach was PC leader at the time.
Your post is so full of BS speculation and outright error it’s hard to know where to begin to fisk it.
the platform mandate will be swimming with anti-gay and anti-abortion sentiment, anything that is an ethnocentric right wing Christian view will be their main consideration
~stephanie
Wildrose MLAs have an independent vote, there is no party whip, the Wildrose 2012 Election Platform has zero social content saying nothing at all about gays or abortion, it’s all about fiscal reform and government accountability.
You pulled that lie straight out of your ass.