“You are incredibly judgemental with a total disregard to harm reduction principles.”
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“The San Francisco Drug Users’ Union denounces anyone who would refer to drug users in such derogatory, dehumanizing language.”
Now there’s a union I’d gladly support if they were to go on strike.
So many social workers, so little progress.
I seemed to have missed how “harm reduction” reduces harm or how social workers are modern-day saints.
I must be judgmental.
I once spoke to a social worker who confided that he had been in the business for ten years and none of his original clients were still alive. “Harm Reduction” is largely misery perpetration and death delaying to keep the social workers employed.
What Chip said…
A lot of the alcoholics I see happen to have anxiety disorders. It seemed very logical to me to replace a dangerous drug, alcohol, with a far safer drug class having similar effects – benzodiazepines. However, the same BC College of Physicians that is in favor of “harm reduction” by giving alcoholics free drinks in Vancouver as well as “safe injection sites” and needle exchanges, is very biased against benzodiazepines as they are “addictive drugs”.
In fact, one could lose ones license to practice medicine if one used this particular “harm reduction” model in BC. When benzodiazepines came out, they were viewed as an incredibly safe alternative to barbiturates where the fatal dose may be as little as 5x the therapeutic dose. Taken alone, much to the chagrin of potential suicides, taking 100 10 mg Valium tablets just make one sleep for a long time but won’t kill them.
So, “harm reduction” is actually a very political process where the state decides what constitutes appropriate “harm reduction” rather than science. If one was truly interested in saving peoples lives, then the solution would be to bring back very large insane asylums in which the inmates died of natural causes rather than overdoses or homicide. A large portion of the “homeless” population is sufficiently deranged that they would have been involuntary inhabitants of insane asylums in a previous primitive, barbarous area. So desperate are some of these former inmates to get back into what they once considered a safe environment that I’ve seen them drink lye to try to get committed (just burned out their esophagus and needed extensive painful surgery to fix the problem).
What I find curious is why the state is so supportive of the clearly insane to “make their own decisions” while coming down hard on the sane individualist who believes that the 2nd amendment means he can own a firearm without interference from the state. The only conclusion that I’ve come to is that the state itself is insane and what we need are some courageous psychiatrists who would involuntarily commit the clearly insane statist politicians.
Harm reduction — or, as I’ve come to call it in my downtown Edmonton neighbourhood, every time I have to pick up discarded needles or stop some hobo from taking a dump in my backyard or ripping apart my garbage bags — “harm redistribution“.
yup, exactly! Brings back the memories…
While living in Winnipeg Central(Isabel/Pacific)in the late 90’s after the harm reduction crew girls would pass through the area I’d have to spend the next few mornings collecting needles covered in dried blood from the yard and around the Freight House field. Had a mason jar and some barbeque tongs dedicated to the task.
I much preferred the huffing bags and punctured Lysol cans that were the more common every other time of the month.
I have another problem with this ‘social justice’ concept that stupid people are advocating.
To me…if you’re a turdie that refuses to look after himself, you coke yourself to the gills rather than going to work…and you die of a drug overdose one day…that IS social justice.
Addiction is a choice. Mental illness is not. The lefties need to learn to differentiate between the two. I think every last Dipper, socialist and (hork, spit) ‘journalist’ should have to spend a day helping that lady out.
Living about 4 kms due east of Van’s downtown eastside, I’ve always interpreted “harm reduction” as actually meaning “guilt reduction” for those without a clue on how to solve these problems but still need to feel good about themselves. They simply become enablers.
BTW, I find it mind-boggling that pot smokers are still criminals while alcohol, the single most destructive drug in our society, is easily available and even advertised to youngsters. I am left to believe the government is simply trying to eliminate the competition and protect it’s market. A conflict of interest to be sure.
Finally, BBJ said “Addiction is a choice.”
Congrats, that may be the single most stupid thing I have read on this blog and that’s saying a lot.
Quite the little niche industry win’t it?
Repeating the same behaviour over and over and expecting different results?
Must be social scientists.
Behaviour changes when it becomes intolerable, aiding and abetting self abusive and destructive behaviour has helped?
Who and How?
I see lots of tax dollars being moved around, with zero results.
Loki speak Heap Big Medicine..
I know it’s not politically correct, but there are so many decent people who struggle just to make ends meet that the money wasted in nurturing this human garbage with the support of a ever expanding bureaucracy is a insult to common sense. I believe everyone deserves a second chance, but not a tenth,twentieth etc. Build institutions and lock them up until they are worth something. Cheaper in the long run and forced hope is still better than no hope. At least the system we discarded in the name of political correctness worked and with built in safeguards could easily work again.
Thx Kate, I really enjoyed reading that. It’s nice for a change to read what is really going on in places like that, from someone who isn’t afraid of the politically correct.
My my, the commenters certainly got worked up, didn’t they? Why, its almost as if they fear that word getting out about the utter, abject, horrific failure of their “harm reduction” health care model might adversely affect their employment status.
Gee willikers!
“The San Francisco Drug Users’ Union denounces anyone who would refer to drug users in such derogatory, dehumanizing language.”
Now there’s a union I’d gladly support if they were to go on strike.
So many social workers, so little progress.
I seemed to have missed how “harm reduction” reduces harm or how social workers are modern-day saints.
I must be judgmental.
I once spoke to a social worker who confided that he had been in the business for ten years and none of his original clients were still alive. “Harm Reduction” is largely misery perpetration and death delaying to keep the social workers employed.
What Chip said…
A lot of the alcoholics I see happen to have anxiety disorders. It seemed very logical to me to replace a dangerous drug, alcohol, with a far safer drug class having similar effects – benzodiazepines. However, the same BC College of Physicians that is in favor of “harm reduction” by giving alcoholics free drinks in Vancouver as well as “safe injection sites” and needle exchanges, is very biased against benzodiazepines as they are “addictive drugs”.
In fact, one could lose ones license to practice medicine if one used this particular “harm reduction” model in BC. When benzodiazepines came out, they were viewed as an incredibly safe alternative to barbiturates where the fatal dose may be as little as 5x the therapeutic dose. Taken alone, much to the chagrin of potential suicides, taking 100 10 mg Valium tablets just make one sleep for a long time but won’t kill them.
So, “harm reduction” is actually a very political process where the state decides what constitutes appropriate “harm reduction” rather than science. If one was truly interested in saving peoples lives, then the solution would be to bring back very large insane asylums in which the inmates died of natural causes rather than overdoses or homicide. A large portion of the “homeless” population is sufficiently deranged that they would have been involuntary inhabitants of insane asylums in a previous primitive, barbarous area. So desperate are some of these former inmates to get back into what they once considered a safe environment that I’ve seen them drink lye to try to get committed (just burned out their esophagus and needed extensive painful surgery to fix the problem).
What I find curious is why the state is so supportive of the clearly insane to “make their own decisions” while coming down hard on the sane individualist who believes that the 2nd amendment means he can own a firearm without interference from the state. The only conclusion that I’ve come to is that the state itself is insane and what we need are some courageous psychiatrists who would involuntarily commit the clearly insane statist politicians.
Harm reduction — or, as I’ve come to call it in my downtown Edmonton neighbourhood, every time I have to pick up discarded needles or stop some hobo from taking a dump in my backyard or ripping apart my garbage bags — “harm redistribution“.
yup, exactly! Brings back the memories…
While living in Winnipeg Central(Isabel/Pacific)in the late 90’s after the harm reduction crew girls would pass through the area I’d have to spend the next few mornings collecting needles covered in dried blood from the yard and around the Freight House field. Had a mason jar and some barbeque tongs dedicated to the task.
I much preferred the huffing bags and punctured Lysol cans that were the more common every other time of the month.
I have another problem with this ‘social justice’ concept that stupid people are advocating.
To me…if you’re a turdie that refuses to look after himself, you coke yourself to the gills rather than going to work…and you die of a drug overdose one day…that IS social justice.
Addiction is a choice. Mental illness is not. The lefties need to learn to differentiate between the two. I think every last Dipper, socialist and (hork, spit) ‘journalist’ should have to spend a day helping that lady out.
Living about 4 kms due east of Van’s downtown eastside, I’ve always interpreted “harm reduction” as actually meaning “guilt reduction” for those without a clue on how to solve these problems but still need to feel good about themselves. They simply become enablers.
BTW, I find it mind-boggling that pot smokers are still criminals while alcohol, the single most destructive drug in our society, is easily available and even advertised to youngsters. I am left to believe the government is simply trying to eliminate the competition and protect it’s market. A conflict of interest to be sure.
Finally, BBJ said “Addiction is a choice.”
Congrats, that may be the single most stupid thing I have read on this blog and that’s saying a lot.
Quite the little niche industry win’t it?
Repeating the same behaviour over and over and expecting different results?
Must be social scientists.
Behaviour changes when it becomes intolerable, aiding and abetting self abusive and destructive behaviour has helped?
Who and How?
I see lots of tax dollars being moved around, with zero results.
Loki speak Heap Big Medicine..
I know it’s not politically correct, but there are so many decent people who struggle just to make ends meet that the money wasted in nurturing this human garbage with the support of a ever expanding bureaucracy is a insult to common sense. I believe everyone deserves a second chance, but not a tenth,twentieth etc. Build institutions and lock them up until they are worth something. Cheaper in the long run and forced hope is still better than no hope. At least the system we discarded in the name of political correctness worked and with built in safeguards could easily work again.
Thx Kate, I really enjoyed reading that. It’s nice for a change to read what is really going on in places like that, from someone who isn’t afraid of the politically correct.
My my, the commenters certainly got worked up, didn’t they? Why, its almost as if they fear that word getting out about the utter, abject, horrific failure of their “harm reduction” health care model might adversely affect their employment status.
Gee willikers!