‘”You’ve had your debate. There’s no need to write any more,” the unnamed official was quoted as saying.’
It would appear, that Mr. Snowden has kicked quite the hornet’s nest.
The spooks are spooked, and can hardly resist going full fascist.
Update: Correction, I guess we aren’t all terrorists now … we are just: “nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous twenty somethings who haven’t talked to the opposite sex in five or six years.”
So Miranda is the Justin, er, I mean, the bottom, right?
Happy learning experience…
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114364/nsa-spying-defense-case-administration-isnt-making
And I detest Bathhouse Barry as much as anyone else here.
“who haven’t talked to the opposite sex in five or six years.”
10 or 12 years, surely?
Embarrassed at being exposed as voyeurs and lackeys, the respective governmental organs of the US and Britain express their disdain rather like prissy little teen-aged girls. They make me sick.
SDA is missing the real story here for the Canadian audience.
They don’t need and have NEVER needed a warrant to look at any of your data and intercept your calls. We’re not American so the Constitution (and apparently even the spirit of the Constitution) does not apply to foreigners like us.
People in Canada should be more angry about this.
And the Canadian government should be offering any American communications and cloud software companies safe haven in Canada. Locate your data centers and headquarters here and you’ll be more protected from the NSA but still offer the same quality but private service to your customers. Would never happen of course because Canada would be accused of protecting and sheltering terrorists by the war-mongers in the Dem and Repub parties.
Decent article there.
Still it fails to see the play that is being made by this regime to preserve the power of the NSA while trying to penetrate its culture. They want it intact. They want more oversight, more “political officers,” and from there they will be able to use it as they do the IRS, ATF, FBI, CIA, and the rest of the alphabet. Anyone can see that all these charges are nebulous and of little real consequence except for those with limited critical insight.
This New Republic article puts the NRO article to shame in substance, style, and perspective. Let’s note that John Fund fuels his article by paraphrasing the criticisms of the Washington Post, claims Jenifer Rubin is a conservative, blames the NSA for the FBI’s failure to act upon the warning they received from Russian intelligence officials, and finishes with a Daniel Patrick Moynihan quote. Fah! Really?
“…although secrecy is absolutely necessary for our protection, it all too often serves as the first refuge of incompetents or those drunk with arrogance. We should not give these groups the ability to cloak their operations — no matter how virtuous the goal.”
Read that. Read it twice. Yeah, he was a sociologist.
Anyone can see that all these charges are nebulous and of little real consequence if true a massive threat to our freedoms except for those with limited critical insight like the poster above.
And the Canadian government should be offering any American communications and cloud software companies safe haven in Canada.
Not gonna happen with the stupid fascist we have in charge right now.
ummmm, ok I’ll play.
“And the Canadian government should be offering any American communications and cloud software companies safe haven in Canada.”
Just how would that work?
Just how would that work?
Not an IT expert but pretty sure they move the company HQ and servers here. Then, freedom.
That’s why they call them whistle blowers.
No. Having the servers in Canada would make U.S. communications to and from the server international and therefore directly subject to the purview of the NSA.
Furthermore the content would then also fall under the purview of the hate speech laws in Canada. Freedom indeed.
5, that’s it…canada post and super secret lemon juice invisible ink for my sensitive communication needs.
To some extent there is precedence even with present laws. I don’t why more of these companies don’t default to Canada.
For example, Hushmail, an encrypted email service operates in Canada. While they did comply some years back after the DEA went through Canadian courts to get access to a user’s communication, they are at least putting much more due process into viewing that communication. While the NSA would have ways of getting access to the meta data, the actual communication is encrypted. And they couldn’t just use a secret court to get access (AFAIK anyway).
So, to some extent, this is really somewhat possible but perhaps a more concerted push to actually try to set Canada up as the land of digital freedom with a gov’t that would resist and have laws to protect other governments from accessing personal data. Kind of a Switzerland of data for Americans. Anyway, this was just a silly aside in my original post. I don’t see any political party or movement in Canada really interested in liberty.
@jay currie — Ha, Canada Post is probably the safest. It’s like in-built encryption although without actual communication. Messages intended for me get delivered to my neighbours on a regular basis.
“nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous twenty somethings who haven’t talked to the opposite sex in five or six years.”
That’s not accurate. I’m past sixty.
Test Question:
If a foreign national arrived at Toronto Airport while in transit to another country, and we had grounds to believe he was carrying unlawfully obtained sensitive Canadian security documents, would we be wrong to detain him and inspect his laptop and devices?
“People in Canada should be more angry about this.”
Why? Because another country isn’t bound by our laws?
Does this mean our own intelligence capabilities shouldn’t be used against foreign targets?
Get real.