National Post:Conservative MP’s private member’s bill could be used against pipeline protesters, critics say
16 Replies to “They Say That Like It’s A Bad Thing”
92. In each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Matters coming within the Classes of Subjects next hereinafter enumerated; that is to say,
Local Works and Undertakings other than such as are of the following Classes:
(a)
Lines of Steam or other Ships, Railways, Canals, Telegraphs, and other Works and Undertakings connecting the Province with any other or others of the Provinces, or extending beyond the Limits of the Province:
Thus inter-provincial pipelines are specifically excluded from jurisdiction of provinces per the Constitution Act 1867. You don’t need another bill; you need some politicians with the courage to interpret the Constitution Act 1867 the way it was intended.
In short, the feds can have provincial tea with the premiers; but they can elect to tell the province they have no jurisdiction or claim on any pipeline works and the work will proceed in the national interest, protesters or no.
And if the protesters decide to impede progress, they can cool their heels in Her Majesty’s crowbar hotel.
Does anyone think that they drove the Last Spike for the railways, because they were worried that mama opossum was crossing the tracks?
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group ‘True North’
The western pipelines are on schedule and proceeding according to plan. Neither the first immigrants or their protest friends can stop it. Give people enough rope and they’ll hang themselves.
Would the professional protesters have any clout without all the free publicity given them by all media? Time to ignore the lot of them.
So could cattle prods, which would be much more satisfying.
Of course, pipeline protesters think this is about them; they’re narcissists, after all.
But protection of critical infrastructure is vastly inadequate right now. There are saboteurs and thieves causing immense damage, either intentionally or otherwise, which in turn could impact broad strata of society in short order.
Metal theft is a good example of this. Loosely organized networks of junkies are stealing copper from grounds at electrical substations, or aluminum poles from road signs, or car batteries for their lead, or steel spikes from railroads. These idiots don’t realize the consequrnces of their actions which could cause cascading effects very quickly.
Perhaps this legislation could impact protesters, but it seems likely that it would apply to actions such as sabotage or blockades. Whether the police would enforce this, however, is another matter.
I hope this is not another example of this government addressing multiple topics under the guise of one bill.
My understanding is that this private member’s bill was originally introduced to try and slow down industrial metal thefts. A major problem. The bill now reaches far beyond that.
For the record, I am all for tough legislation protecting our infrastructures from vandals, terrorists and obstructing protesters. I just wish Mr Harper had the balls to come out and sell his conservative products on their merit instead of constantly running scared of the anti-right media.
I am tired of watching a conservative majority too paranoid of giving ammo to a hostile media to openly and proudly actually do anything conservative.
SOP:
Fail to enforce existing laws, use that failure as a pretext to make more laws.
While Bill C-639 was originally intended to beef up fines for anyone caught stealing wire from power facilities, the language in the legislation goes further.
It creates a new Criminal Code offence for anyone who damages, destroys, incapacitates, “obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation” of any critical infrastructure.
The bill defines critical infrastructure as any “publicly or privately owned facility, network, service or asset,” including energy and telecommunication assets.
The Canadian Electricity Association supports the changes, saying the current law doesn’t take into account the seriousness of this sort of theft. Though it notes that this bill goes well beyond what it was seeking.
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That pretty much covers everything in a broad brush stroke. Protest an abortion clinic. Arrested and fined. Protest Palestine House. Arrested and fined. Protest city hall in Nanaimo over their policies of denying Christian religious liberty. Arrested and fined. Protest parliament. Arrested and fined.
It basically makes protesting against any entity at their place of operations illegal.
Having partisan blinders on because of being frustrated with the shenanigans of pipeline protesters
while government strips you of your Charter right to freedom of expression and freedom of peaceful
assembly makes me embarrassed. This will be another bill the Supreme Court strikes down and frankly I am quite surprised the Minister of Justice supports it. More fodder for the Liberals to come to power.
Well said.
Well, McKay did say that he would be giving LEO’s sweeping new powers “to prevent not only terrorism, but any crime”
We now live in the age of “Pre-Crime”, as well as thought-crime.
“critics say [the changes are bad]”: the Media Party’s two favourite words emphasized in reports on conservative policy/legislation, etc., substituted with “analysts say [the changes are welcome]” when it’s policy/legislation that meets their leftist agendas.
Works for me! And what of the newly elected Mayor of Victoria, who refuses to pledge allegiance to the Queen? Is there not some constitutional bar from her taking the chain of office? She claims she would rather give a pledge to the rights of Native Indians. Yo, that would work real well, then we could all claim special rights for some long ago crime against our forefathers.
So basically the next time the local chapter of the occupy rentamob takes over a public asset and proceeds to trash the place, the authorities would be in a legal position to apprehend the miscreants without having to get a court order for removal.
The trick is that there has to be blatant evidence the public asset is being damaged.
Generally a pro-life protest tends to be cognizant with regards to respect to public policy, occupy INM, anti pipeline protests like the one in Burnaby, not so much.
“So basically the next time the local chapter of the occupy rentamob takes over a public asset and proceeds to trash the place, the authorities would be in a legal position to apprehend the miscreants without having to get a court order for removal.”
GOOD!
I’m all for it, but.
The theft of copper wire from the life safety aspects of electrical distribution systems is not just theft and vandalism, it is a deliberate intent to attempt to kill and maim electrical distribution workers.
F**K a new law, liven the odd sleeper lines to 40,000V and fry these murderous cretins.
No need for gutless judges, public defender circuses all run at our expense, the bandits will be clearly identified as convicted and punished by their own hand.
Then charge their relatives for the repairs and disposal.
As for those destroying other vital infrastructure also endangering the skilled workers who keep our civilization working… snipers seems like a real fine idea.
Our infrastructure is fragile and becoming ever more so as politicians steal the funds necessary to keep up to our demands.
When those rolling blackout come, remember its a crisis, but only because those who claimed the moral authority have no ethics or foresight.
Have shown below my comment on the Gnat Post. The article, as has increasingly become significant, is sloppily investigated. There is little reference to what interests are represented by the lawyers who are quoted.
MikeSr Dank Buds • 6 minutes ago
The difference between the discussions seems to be circling around what a couple of lawyers see as a potential problem. Should we know what the lawyers’ agenda is before we take on each other’s rights.
Is the real culprit the groups of foreign-funded protesters who use any opportunity to delay and obstruct Canadian efforts to market Canadian energy. One such group is well funded by the Rockefeller Foundation. Y’all know the family fortune built on American and middle-east oil interests.
These back to nature freakos mmust beleive this Gaia poppycock they just beleive that oil is gaias lifeblood and by drilling for oil their earth mother is being bled to death just typical for a bunch of freakos raised on diets of nuts and nothing else but nuts and as you all know You Are What You Eat
92. In each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Matters coming within the Classes of Subjects next hereinafter enumerated; that is to say,
Local Works and Undertakings other than such as are of the following Classes:
(a)
Lines of Steam or other Ships, Railways, Canals, Telegraphs, and other Works and Undertakings connecting the Province with any other or others of the Provinces, or extending beyond the Limits of the Province:
Thus inter-provincial pipelines are specifically excluded from jurisdiction of provinces per the Constitution Act 1867. You don’t need another bill; you need some politicians with the courage to interpret the Constitution Act 1867 the way it was intended.
In short, the feds can have provincial tea with the premiers; but they can elect to tell the province they have no jurisdiction or claim on any pipeline works and the work will proceed in the national interest, protesters or no.
And if the protesters decide to impede progress, they can cool their heels in Her Majesty’s crowbar hotel.
Does anyone think that they drove the Last Spike for the railways, because they were worried that mama opossum was crossing the tracks?
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group ‘True North’
The western pipelines are on schedule and proceeding according to plan. Neither the first immigrants or their protest friends can stop it. Give people enough rope and they’ll hang themselves.
Would the professional protesters have any clout without all the free publicity given them by all media? Time to ignore the lot of them.
So could cattle prods, which would be much more satisfying.
Of course, pipeline protesters think this is about them; they’re narcissists, after all.
But protection of critical infrastructure is vastly inadequate right now. There are saboteurs and thieves causing immense damage, either intentionally or otherwise, which in turn could impact broad strata of society in short order.
Metal theft is a good example of this. Loosely organized networks of junkies are stealing copper from grounds at electrical substations, or aluminum poles from road signs, or car batteries for their lead, or steel spikes from railroads. These idiots don’t realize the consequrnces of their actions which could cause cascading effects very quickly.
Perhaps this legislation could impact protesters, but it seems likely that it would apply to actions such as sabotage or blockades. Whether the police would enforce this, however, is another matter.
I hope this is not another example of this government addressing multiple topics under the guise of one bill.
My understanding is that this private member’s bill was originally introduced to try and slow down industrial metal thefts. A major problem. The bill now reaches far beyond that.
For the record, I am all for tough legislation protecting our infrastructures from vandals, terrorists and obstructing protesters. I just wish Mr Harper had the balls to come out and sell his conservative products on their merit instead of constantly running scared of the anti-right media.
I am tired of watching a conservative majority too paranoid of giving ammo to a hostile media to openly and proudly actually do anything conservative.
SOP:
Fail to enforce existing laws, use that failure as a pretext to make more laws.
While Bill C-639 was originally intended to beef up fines for anyone caught stealing wire from power facilities, the language in the legislation goes further.
It creates a new Criminal Code offence for anyone who damages, destroys, incapacitates, “obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation” of any critical infrastructure.
The bill defines critical infrastructure as any “publicly or privately owned facility, network, service or asset,” including energy and telecommunication assets.
The Canadian Electricity Association supports the changes, saying the current law doesn’t take into account the seriousness of this sort of theft. Though it notes that this bill goes well beyond what it was seeking.
————————————
That pretty much covers everything in a broad brush stroke. Protest an abortion clinic. Arrested and fined. Protest Palestine House. Arrested and fined. Protest city hall in Nanaimo over their policies of denying Christian religious liberty. Arrested and fined. Protest parliament. Arrested and fined.
It basically makes protesting against any entity at their place of operations illegal.
Having partisan blinders on because of being frustrated with the shenanigans of pipeline protesters
while government strips you of your Charter right to freedom of expression and freedom of peaceful
assembly makes me embarrassed. This will be another bill the Supreme Court strikes down and frankly I am quite surprised the Minister of Justice supports it. More fodder for the Liberals to come to power.
Well said.
Well, McKay did say that he would be giving LEO’s sweeping new powers “to prevent not only terrorism, but any crime”
We now live in the age of “Pre-Crime”, as well as thought-crime.
“critics say [the changes are bad]”: the Media Party’s two favourite words emphasized in reports on conservative policy/legislation, etc., substituted with “analysts say [the changes are welcome]” when it’s policy/legislation that meets their leftist agendas.
Works for me! And what of the newly elected Mayor of Victoria, who refuses to pledge allegiance to the Queen? Is there not some constitutional bar from her taking the chain of office? She claims she would rather give a pledge to the rights of Native Indians. Yo, that would work real well, then we could all claim special rights for some long ago crime against our forefathers.
So basically the next time the local chapter of the occupy rentamob takes over a public asset and proceeds to trash the place, the authorities would be in a legal position to apprehend the miscreants without having to get a court order for removal.
The trick is that there has to be blatant evidence the public asset is being damaged.
Generally a pro-life protest tends to be cognizant with regards to respect to public policy, occupy INM, anti pipeline protests like the one in Burnaby, not so much.
“So basically the next time the local chapter of the occupy rentamob takes over a public asset and proceeds to trash the place, the authorities would be in a legal position to apprehend the miscreants without having to get a court order for removal.”
GOOD!
I’m all for it, but.
The theft of copper wire from the life safety aspects of electrical distribution systems is not just theft and vandalism, it is a deliberate intent to attempt to kill and maim electrical distribution workers.
F**K a new law, liven the odd sleeper lines to 40,000V and fry these murderous cretins.
No need for gutless judges, public defender circuses all run at our expense, the bandits will be clearly identified as convicted and punished by their own hand.
Then charge their relatives for the repairs and disposal.
As for those destroying other vital infrastructure also endangering the skilled workers who keep our civilization working… snipers seems like a real fine idea.
Our infrastructure is fragile and becoming ever more so as politicians steal the funds necessary to keep up to our demands.
When those rolling blackout come, remember its a crisis, but only because those who claimed the moral authority have no ethics or foresight.
Have shown below my comment on the Gnat Post. The article, as has increasingly become significant, is sloppily investigated. There is little reference to what interests are represented by the lawyers who are quoted.
MikeSr Dank Buds • 6 minutes ago
The difference between the discussions seems to be circling around what a couple of lawyers see as a potential problem. Should we know what the lawyers’ agenda is before we take on each other’s rights.
Is the real culprit the groups of foreign-funded protesters who use any opportunity to delay and obstruct Canadian efforts to market Canadian energy. One such group is well funded by the Rockefeller Foundation. Y’all know the family fortune built on American and middle-east oil interests.
These back to nature freakos mmust beleive this Gaia poppycock they just beleive that oil is gaias lifeblood and by drilling for oil their earth mother is being bled to death just typical for a bunch of freakos raised on diets of nuts and nothing else but nuts and as you all know You Are What You Eat