33 Replies to “Finally”

  1. ” “I can tell you I categorically reject that as a sort of principle of Confederation … some sort of licence of Confederation to build a pipeline,” he added.
    “How about $10 billion in equalization? That’s a pretty good licence. How about massive jobs being created here for all Canadians? That’s also a pretty good licence.”
    Well said Mr. Wall.

  2. Why is it so hard for other premiers to say things like that, Alison could have said to Christie, “your gas from Ft St John needs to be taxed to flow through Alberta to the Alliance”, Ed could have said to the media twits, “we are getting our fair share”. I find it hard to believe that PC has emasculated everyone but Wall, good on you Brad, once we had a tell it like it is premier now we have….it remains to be seen

  3. I found an interesting piece on Rebel Media this evening.
    https://youtu.be/aCiL4PQgb5I
    As much as I’m a Conservative supporter, I don’t like to see Rachel Notley being demonized by Ezra Levant or anyone else, not anymore that I enjoy the CBC and other media outlets demonizing Mr. Harper or Mr. Wall. She is elected, she is the Premier of Alberta and she does have a majority government. I am concerned with the inexperienced cabinet she is surrounded by, but then Shell, Exxon and Suncor engineers will set them straight in the near future.
    I do agree with Rachel Notley when she claims that Alberta should be exporting gasoline (etc.) instead of crude. It’s not just about Western jobs or economics, but also about containing emissions and environmental concerns on home soil. Unleaded gas from Fort mac or Unleaded gas from Texas or Saudi Arabia is all the same and would have much less tendency of ruffling green feathers in the East and the USA. Whether we like it or not, the green revolution is here for the long haul.
    I do agree with Mr. Wall when he says we’re ”increasingly being viewed as a liability by the rest of the country.” Who is to blame?? The same people who demonize Mr. Harper, Mrs. Notley and Mr. Wall. Journalism is at an all time low, news reports have turned into gossip columns. How do you stop that?? Stop buying what you see advertised on CBC and other similar sites and let the advertiser know. Trust me, the XYZ Corp will reply!!

  5. One problem with exporting finished petroleum products (most of them anyway). Flammability. A tanker truck of gas catching fire is a pretty big thing. Would you volunteer to captain a ship with millions of liters of the same? How about working at the harbor where it is unloaded? This strategy would work better for things like lumber products.

  6. Step up and invest in a refinery, Exxon and Shell haven’t
    There has only been one new refinery built in North America in thirty years
    Refineries have to be built by the market not near the supply

  7. The Notley “Build a refinery” position is just a stalling tactic. She’s opposed to a refinery ideologically.

  8. Private money MUST BUILD a refinery at Loydminster, directly on the two provincial borders, develop the oil sands and get that oil to EUROPE, amking the oil availability in Europe to kick PUTINS RUSSIAN ASS to oblivian!
    DEVELOP THAT NATURAL RESOURCE FOR ALL CANADIANS!
    WHO CAN STOP US?
    Chief Bellegarde?

  9. Any premier of a have not province who would deny his province domestic affordable energy has an IQ lower than whale poop. Any citizen, struggling to pay high energy bills in these provinces who supports anti pipeline energy policy is a masochist.
    The nation is being turned into psyche ward run by the patients.

  10. Jesus Saves – I like to use a chicken farm analogy regarding refineries. Refining oil to its final products is like cooking chickens. Saying you need more refineries near the oilfields is like mandating that chickens must leave the farm pre-roasted. In both cases the “value added” argument works, the farmer should be able to sell the chickens for more after they’re cooked.
    Only problem is, that’s not where the demand is. We go to Safeway / Lowlaws / Overwaitea / Save-On-Foods / 7-Eleven because it’s convenient to us. If our supplier has to pay more because the product is pre-refined, and needs to be re-refined (cooked) because of degrading during shipping and time spent in terminals / silos / tanks, that just means more of the raw product will be wasted and the final cost will be higher. Shipping oilsands product as bitumen to a spot closer to the high concentration of consumers is like shipping chickens frozen from the farm. It makes less waste, decreases sensitivity to storage and shipping, and leads to lower overall costs.

  11. The simple logistics of getting refined product to markets have never been addressed by those who advocate such refining. Multiple product lines would require much more capital
    investment than a single crude line. How would that work?
    Combine this with competition from existing facilities and margin is seriously reduced.
    In the case of export which country with existing capability will sacrifice their production security to Ft. Mac or Edmonton. Will not happen.

  12. That’s right. Refined gasoline has a shelf life.
    We have here part of the old Adam Smith aphorism trying to teach the reason why every citizen shouldn’t be involved in making their own shoes.

  13. Alberta currently funds equalization to the tune of approximately $4000 per person. That’s 16000 per family of four. Every year. Tax free.
    With several of the currently operating oils ands projects starting to pay tax and royalties and about 250000 bbls of new production coming on line every 9 months or so, that amount is going to mushroom in the next decade possibly tripling at even more.
    Sooner or later some Albertan politician or party is going to learn the lesson that brian Peckford and Danny Williams learned – that attacking the federal government is political gold.
    The equalization formula has to be reformed to adjust for provincial spending variances and crown corp revenues. ASAP
    Or this confederatIon is doomed.

  14. Those above say that refineries should be built in the end user area are absolutely correct. Notely is just using that as an excuse as being a good socialist Luddite she is ideologically opposed to any resource development.
    A train consist of tankers full of gasoline would be a bomb as the whole train would blow, and a pipeline full of gas would not be much better.
    Jesus $aves is right about the media being a rabid dog biting the hand that provides much if not most of the good standard of living that Canadians have.
    Good for Premier Wall. At least one premier still has his head on his shoulders and not up Al Gore’s petuty.

  15. Not to mention the teeny tiny fact that there is no offshore market for refined gasoline.
    Not to mention the teeny tiny fact that no watermelons will allow another refinery on Canadian soil.
    On the other hand, those exact same watermelons would probably prefer a bomb took out a town than an oil-slick fouled a beach.

  16. The US market has 52 different mandated blends of gasoline which change seasonally (think ethanol). Canada has enough domestic refinery capacity. Notley and anyone else wanting more refinery capacity in Alberta is thinking / dreaming outside of this reality.
    As to the Eastern Bastards, thank goodness for Brad Wall.

  17. “I do agree with Rachel Notley when she claims that Alberta should be exporting gasoline (etc.) instead of crude.”
    Refineries are owned by the retailers. Why would a retailer buy overpriced gasoline from a brand new Alberta refinery instead of putting it through their own low priced old refinery? The only thing that will happen if a new refinery is built in Alberta is that an old one will be shut down.

  18. British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan are all have provinces funding equalization for the politically inept such as Quebec et al.
    Another name for the three western provinces, as a group would be:
    The Republic of Western Canada.

  19. not only 52 blends of gas , but lube oil, kerosene, asphalt , sulfur, bunker c fuel oil , various grades of diesel .
    all of which needs to be transported from the further place from a port or a market of any source in the world.

  20. Canada is an eastern north american term – St. Lawrence iroquois – so it would make nil sense to name it that.
    perhaps Mackenzieland?
    also it should include Yukon, the northwest territory, and Manitoba.

  21. Brad Wall just has to put his feet up & smoke a cigar. The rest of the World will be pounding on his door. Don’t let the USA determine the “most favorite nation” ME customer for what has replaced OIL

  22. As I read the tea-leaves, Ontario and Quebec are lining up on one side with CO2-free green electric power (hydro) and B.C., Alberta and Saskatchewan are lining up on the other side with oil & gas. AB and SK need better access to international markets. It seems unlikely that both sides will win. In a perfect world AB and SK strike a deal with Nunavut for a north pipeline to Hudson Bay and export their oil & gas to Asia (refusing to make any further transfer payments), BC never gets an LNG plant built because of First Nations protests, QC can’t sell its expanded hydro electricity capacity into the States (because of free trade) and ON refineries shut down for lack of raw material and the province eventually can’t pay its hydro bills to QC.

  23. Lloydminster already has an upgrader and refinery (Husky) that serves the gasoline and diesel market for the surrounding area. Building a refinery with a decent economy of scale and then staffing it would create a tent city of thousands if you could even get enough people there to do it. Lloydminster is already fully employed at any reasonable oil price.

  24. Here’s hoping Brian Jean (leader of Alberta’s official opposition, the Wildrose) is taking note of Brad Wall’s remarks. Brilliant, Mr. Wall. Absolutely brilliant.
    But Rachel Notley, in typical leftist fashion, rather than opposing Wall’s position by puttng forth a counter-argument, insults him.

  25. When you let your kids decide what’s “fair,” what happens? How does that usually go? Do they end up a better more prosperous person? No, you get a gong show. I rest my case.
    Does “fair” mean “social license.” Who decides this? Where is the nearest social license office where I can apply?
    Our supposed leaders are spouting this self-serving bunk.
    The federal election can’t be about “battling climate change,” it needs to be about battling this addled and childish thinking from supposed adults who are supposed to be leaders in our society.

  26. My Nostradamus prediction. Ezra interviewed the Premier of the Yukon McCleod a while back. He said he would be happy to run the Gateway pipeline through his province. What a great thing that would be. Screw Crusty, Nothead and the central Canadian elite politicians.

  27. Can’t find this anywhere on the Canadian National scene.
    http://powersource.post-gazette.com/powersource/latest-oil-and-gas/2015/07/15/Northern-Canada-proposes-potential-Arctic-oil-pipeline/stories/201507150211
    Canada’s provincial Northwest Territories government has been talking to pipeline companies about shipping crude oil through the Arctic, according to the territory’s minister in charge of resource development.
    David Ramsay, the territory’s minister of industry, and N.W.T. Premier Bob McLeod, have been touting the concept of an “Arctic Gateway” pipeline, which could see Alberta crude moved north for shipment from a port on the Beaufort Sea coast.
    Ramsay said earlier this week that it’s one alternative to shipping Alberta crude to the west, east and south amid opposition and regulatory delays for two other pipelines.

  28. @ Larry….BC a have province???? What kind of dope are you smoking? Yeah. They have all the money we(AB) send them. There are only three businesses(?) in Lotus Land. Selling pot. Having rehab for junkies. And selling to the Chinese. OH. I forgot #4. Indian land claims. Name me ONE thing produced in BC, besides nuts and fruits, that doesn’t have the ROC taxpayer funds written all over it. You seem sober enough to make a post. What happened? The free dope joint in East Hastings run out?

  29. Equalization should not be the focus of Alberta’s argument. It should be on the overall difference being received by the feds from AB, in different forms, and not returned. That money is “invested” elsewhere in the country.
    Check out these charts from 2009 data, it was the last year for which Statscan did the Provincial Economic Accounts, which gives a better picture of dollars received and spent by Ottawa. It’s a few years old but you can only imagine how large the numbers have grown in past couple of years with the oil boom that had occurred. The PEA data is below the equalization data, scroll down, then you’ll see why all the attention to equalization is a red herring.
    http://thoughtundermined.com/2012/07/22/a-closer-look-at-federal-revenues-and-expenditures-by-province/
    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/13-018-x/2011001/t/tab0701-eng.htm

  30. Justthinkin – well, off the top of my head: coal, copper, natural gas, lumber, raw logs, salmon…. there’s lots of things that come from beyond Hope.

  32. Aware of pigs. Used to supply a load rack in Kamloops. My thought centered more around the storage required to accommodate the various products. I do believe their might be dedicated refined product lines between Edmonton and Calgary.

  33. Notley and crew are like a bunch of first year college students who just moved into their first apartment; all kinds of cool ideas and sweet plans. Give them a couple of months of reality and when the bills start coming in and the garbage starts to stink they will either smarten up or they will get evicted.

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