From as far back as the 16th century, historians taught that the Irish are the descendants of the Celts, an Iron Age people who originated in the middle of Europe and invaded Ireland somewhere between 1000 B.C. and 500 B.C.
h/t Carol
From as far back as the 16th century, historians taught that the Irish are the descendants of the Celts, an Iron Age people who originated in the middle of Europe and invaded Ireland somewhere between 1000 B.C. and 500 B.C.
h/t Carol
this still doesn’t explain the affinity for ethyl alcohol.
I haven’t read it yet ,so my guess is spaniards or more correctly Iberians
I sent the link to my son with the note that our family may go much farther back than we thought. His response,”Well, maybe. If they were under a pub, then they were most certainly our ancestors.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/1256894.stm
BBC News | WALES | Genes link Celts to Basques (Welsh & Irish)
“The Welsh and Irish Celts have been found to be the genetic blood-brothers of Basques, scientists have revealed.”
They could tell he’s Irish by the drink holder in the grave. (bottem right)
“I sent the link to my son with the note that our family may go much farther back than we thought.”
Everybody’s family goes way back further than they think.
Another “science by press release”, i.e., someone releases some “new” information (that is anything but), and an unpaid intern re-writes it as a “news” story.
For some reason, I remember that I read this back when I was in Grade 8. In 1978.
I can’t find the actual book I read back then, but this kind of stuff gets “re-announced” more than a politican’s promise:
From 2006:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/celts-descended-from-spanish-fishermen-study-finds-416727.html
2004:
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7406
Etc.
@JJM:
” Everybody’s family goes way back further than they think. ”
Yeah, I am pretty certain mine fell out of a tree at some point so that goes back a while.
See the trouble that’s caused by giving a foreigner a decent burial!
My Dad said that when he was a kid he heard the older kids at school talking about family trees, so when he got home that night he asked my grandfather what our family tree looked like.
“Bamboo”.
Along the old lake in the Olduvai Gorge area
Under a Pub..
Ha.
Many of my ancestors were Scotch Irish, for many years I didn’t have any idea who/what the Scotch Irish were.
After studying history I discovered that the King of England told the Scots if they would leave him alone, and stop invading England they could beat the hell out of the Irish and claim it for themselves- Scotch Irish..
I do wish they would have invaded England and kicked the kings ass.
When Obama demanded to visit the Scot kingdom we would have told him to Fu(k off..
Cornishmen.
Haven’t watched Brave Heart?
I demand an end to the Celt occupation! Free Ireland!
The Washington Post Story is full of tripe. We don’t know much about the Celts, or the ancient Irish. But new digs support the general ideas about Irish ancestry. The really big shift in Europe occurred about 15,000 years ago. All Homo sapiens originated in Africa, about 200,000 years ago, and were black. All Europeans descend from them. About 15,000 years ago, white-skinned humans appeared in Sweden. Many species have a white variant, and it’s not an albino. All the tissue is normal, except the skin and hair are white. Polar bears are mainly a variant of the Grizzly. Ghost deer, Ghost black bear, white crocodiles, are all white variants. Light skinned people bind Vitamin D from sunlight better than black people, and that can make a difference where sunlight is limited. In Toronto, everyone except light skinned people are prone to Vitamin D deficiency. About 5,000 years ago, blue eyes appeared in Denmark, and light hair appeared sometime in there. A typical Swede has all three traits, but the traits are not genetically linked. The DNA of the men under that Irish pub shows that they had light skin, blue eyes, and light hair. Most Celts looked that way too. Beyond that, the certainty breaks down. Since we don’t really know much about the Celts, we also don’t know much about their linkages with the ancient Irish. All we know right now is that they had a common ancestry. Africa.
It’s been 30 years or more since I learned of the people who were already in Ireland when the Celts arrived. They were generally shorter and darker than the Celts and were eventually absorbed into the Celtic population/culture. They were the origin of the mythical Lepracauns.
were they drunk at the time like mine was? (no offense meant, after all yesterday was Patty’s Day)
All Homo sapiens originated in Africa, about 200,000 years ago, and were black.
The older race of Africa are Capoid- Pygmy, Bushmen, Hottentots.
Reddish tone, tightly curled ‘peppercorn’ hair, flatter faces.
Congo Negroids- war we call Black- appeared about 15,000 years ago in Central Africa. Many carry extra quadraceps muscle in the leg; their greater speed and agility enabled them to replace the Capoids.
Their palms and soles are light-skinned, showing their original color tone; dark skin is a later adaption.
Black skin is a later adaptation; the palms and soles show the original tone.
Congo Negroids arose about 15,000 years ago; their extra quadraceps muscle gave them the advantage to replace the older dominant race of Africa, the Capoids (Bushmen, Pygmies, Hottentotts).
Africans of either type are also the only continental race that has no percentage of Neanderthal DNA.
Black skin is a later adaptation; the palms and soles show the original tone.
Congo Negroids arose about 15,000 years ago; their extra quadraceps muscle gave them the advantage to replace the older dominant race of Africa, the Capoids (Bushmen, Pygmies, Hottentotts).
Africans of either type are also the only continental race that has no percentage of Neanderthal DNA.
So, any idea why it stopped happening? If your theory is true it should be still happening. A living line of each adaptation from older to newer…
alzaebo:
Thanks for your reply. It helps fill in important details. But perhaps you missed my point. To the average person, African Americans are regarded as ‘black’. For example, Obama is regarded as ‘black’ even though he had a white mother. So my point is that early Homo sapiens were much darker than the variant that appeared in Scandinavia. Even if they had the skin color of Obama, or even lighter, colloquial opinion would label them as ‘black’.
Reference:
The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.
sciencemag[dot]org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin
I can trace my ancestry directly to the Garden of Eden. Remember the serpent?