Beyond the shattering personal tragedy for the families involved, there was so much that was odd about the fire. It just didn’t add up. How could a simple house fire in a 3-bedroom building spread so rapidly that the whole structure was engulfed before either adult could get out, leaving zero time to rescue their children? And there was an explosion? What’s normally found in a home that makes a big enough bang to rip a roof off?
See? Odd.
And why is this odd house fire relevant on RestoreCSA?
I would like to see something like this come up during an election
I’ll try to do my part.
I see the company who makes the unit is a US firm. Do they make the entire product or do they assemble it from parts made elsewhere? I see they make products for trailers, etc. Does a Canadian firm make the heaters or just sell them?
Made in China. Everything is made in China. “Designed and engineered in the USA” is the new(ish) marketing ploy they use to disguise the fact that you’re buying Chinese made crap.
Last year my nephew added a sunroom to his house and wanted me to install a PTAC unit (a through-the-wall heating/AC unit like a motel unit) and all I could find were “Made in China” units. Except one company in Texas had American flags on their site and advertised that they were an American company selling American products and all that crap so I ordered a unit from them. When it arrived, stamped on the top of the box, “Made in China”. I went back to the website and looked closer and, there in the fine print, “designed and engineered in the US”. I was so mad at the deliberate deceit but, as far as I can tell, there simply are no residential PTAC units manufactured in the US. I don’t know about commercial (expensive) units, there may be a large enough market for those that they are still made in the US or Mexico.
We truly live in a very fascinating time when 98% of our society lives in an extremely fraudulent time.
A majority of companies buy from China or some other countries and just replace the made from…
You have no clue what companies are doing it without absolutely examining the products.
Is your house gas copper pipes built from plumbing copper pipes or the more expensive heavier gage ones?
Is your roof 3/8 plywood covered?
Legal at the time in Ontario codes but people were falling through the roof when cleaning snow off of it.
Some good shit that I have been exploring as I’m retired is legal tender…money…
The US has horrendous laws on reproduction of their coins in their country as it is legal tender.
Now China, not so much. You can get amazing reproduction of US coins that Americans can’t buy in their own country.
Being in Canada, I don’t get dinged by the same laws on the US coins so, I have a collection that an American coins collector would love as it would be classed ‘legal tender’ and not with the required laws of the US on these coins.
Australia as well we are a different country these laws don’t apply.
https://financialpost.com/news/economy/how-canada-can-get-back-some-of-its-former-glory-as-a-maker-of-things-the-world-wants-to-buy
That can’t happen until our system changes as Canada has too many laws and restrictions and regulations to create anything. This is why we are in this position of only being able to import everything.
That is disgusting. Somebody should dangle. If proven factual in court. Who is protecting them. I will try and avoid csa certified if I can. Let me guess, Chinese connection.
I always thought CSA was part of government, but I downloaded their annual report and no reference to government and not one mention of revenue or finances. Just the “sustainable diversity” bullshit.
So it appears they are a private company.
Two summers ago I bought a small heater to heat my pool water. It was heavily advertised as CSA safe. Every time I turned it on, it would blow the fuse within about ten minutes. The third time I tried it the plug started smoking and melting and then the fuse blew. I had a small fire going. Fortunately I was right there to put it out. Made in China. I returned it and got a refund and the merchant involved removed all of the rest he had. Anything made in China is a toss up. Sometimes fine, often totally unsafe. I restrict my made in China purchases as much as possible and if it’s electronic, I just do without.
Same problem with stuff “made in India”. When I practiced hospitality design, I worked with an antiques contractor and we designed 10′-0″ diameter chandeliers like the ones from the Brighton Royal Pavilion. Had them manufactured and certified by Underwriter’s Laboratory and CSA(back in the late 90’s). They worked beautifully in the first project. I also specified them for an Indian Banquet Hall. The owners ripped off the design, had them made in India, did not install them correctly, lots of problems. I ended up quitting the project by registered letter, did not take final payment AND notified the local building authority about all of the problems. I did NOT need a lawsuit.
When clients do “stupid stuff”, they get “stupid results”.
Have you noticed how we are have turned into a disposable society?
Building as cheap as possible falls apart quite quickly as even our wiring too is cheaply built and cannot take higher voltage or amperage.
Even the breakers have a limited time that fail.
I have some portable 2000 watt electric stove burners that I may have to bypass my breaker in order for them work….
Different countries power capacity in households.
Here is a link to the CSA website:
https://www.csagroup.org/
They’re a global organization with dozens of offices worldwide (including China and India and lots of other third world $#!t#oles where bribery is a common business practice), not just in Canada.
Their Canadian HQ is on 178 Rexdale Blvd in Toronto …is would be a shame if one of those faulty heaters blew up at that office.
Auto parts suck too.
Bought AC Delco ball joints-m.i.c.
CV joint boot kit-m.i.c.
Napa CV joint grease-m.i.c.
Moog wheel bearings-Taiwan (yay?)
Worked with an HVAC engineer from China. Earlier in career he worked at a Cinese food processor that bought American equipment . Had to use American labour and lubricants for warranty. Expensive. Pissed they didn’t reverse engineer it all.
Parasites never stop,
Bureaus of blood suckers ..
CSA has exposed the systemic corruption of all our politicians.
PS Knight has been revealing this sleaze and murderous extortion for a decade now..No Political Party will touch it.
‘There are no conservatives in Canada’,for they condoned this behaviour.
Infestation this vile will require fire and blood..
What will be the final straw?
Or will it take an angry American to clean up Canadian Corruption.?
Why are we still part of this Confederation of Corruption?
Private and Secret Law?
Wonderful.
I think a lot of people are ignorant of CSA. Or ANSI in the US for that matter.
The Ontario Ministry of Labour sites all types of safety equipment – PPE – with their CSA code number. You can’t use it if it isn’t CSA approved.
“Many regulations made under Ontario’s Occupational Health and Safety Act require compliance with standards published by the CSA Group. These standards define requirements for reducing the risk of workplace injuries.”
The Entire Structural Steel Industry is ruled by the CSA. ALL Materials as well as the Welding thereof via their Ass kissing clowns in the “Canadian Welding Bureau”…..also not a GOVT entity….and its ALL ABOUT the $$$$$.
Abought the only CODES I find that are genuine North American are ASME, ASTM, API, National Boiler Code…..at least I still have to believe they are….Anyone..??
Steakman:
Certified Welding inspector Level II since 1992.
B31.3- CSA W59 – W47.1, ASME Sect VIII/IX, CSA Z662
API 570.
“According to Court filings, shortly before the house fire Chad Howard had purchased two “Dyna-Glo RA18LPDG Cabinet Heaters.” He installed them in his living room.”
Then with all due respect, Chad is a moron.
There’s a reason why I paid a gasfitter to properly install and vent a gas fireplace. I’m not into blowing up.
I don’t care if they claim that these things are “safe for indoor use”. Only an idiot would use one in his house.
“Installed”? When I read that I thought that implied there was an external tank and plumbing involved. Then when I looked it up I saw that it’s just some podunk heater that runs off a 20lb (bbq) tank. Yikes!
That being said, I do believe Chad ought to seek redress in the courts. These things have no business having any sort of official “safe for indoor use” designation.
After researching a bit on the “Dyna-Glo RA18LPDG Cabinet Heaters.” described in the report, and going through the owners manual…they are tragedies waiting to happen in my opinion. You’d have to be semi retarded to allow for a 20lb. propane bottle to be installed in the back of the cabinet heater for use inside the home. Yes, I know we have Propane tanks in our barbecue cabinets but they’re outside the home and secondly the “burners” are located well above the bottle (heat rises) not directly in front of the bottle which is the case with the “Dyna Glow”. https://www.manualslib.com/manual/688907/Dyna-Glo-Ra18lpdg.html?page=8#manual
My guess is the heat from the Dyna Glow burners boiled the propane in the tank behind it increasing the pressure to the point where the relief valve on the tank opened up, flooding the room with unignited propane gas – and as they say in the biz…causing energetic dissasembly.
Probably not the best choice of heaters for a home, given that it vents combustion products in to the same space that is being heated, but also not surprised at all that it self imolated
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/688907/Dyna-Glo-Ra18lpdg.html?page=1#manual
So are the current vaccines CSA approved?
As people get more taxed, as prices rise, people look to dodgy, cheaper “fixes”.
Lefty loved high energy costs, taxes, make modest, poor people seek out dodgy cures. Electric heaters, propane, wood stoves.
I knew one poor guy, had a ancient, original coal stove in basement. He was burning wood flue into chimney. He had cut holes in the floor and the heat would just drift up.
I drive a lot of back road New England and see a lot of shanty, blue tarp, plastic wrapped rural derelict housing.
A lot of it is now into second generation of single mom males, who have no common carpentry, plumbing, electrical skills. 40-60 years ago when the man left, or welfare replaced him, so common skill left too. So structures decay.
Talked to a old friend. Rich. 2 jets rich. What are you doing now, I ask? Mobile homes. People will have to give up the idea of Leave It To Beaver house. Taxes will eat them alive. They cant buy them, maintain them, fix them. Not quite a van down by the river, but a factory glued, stapled trail….er..manufactured “home”. EZ Credit. … Thats the future.
I told him he’s right.