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Glenn Greenwald- “Some 74% of Americans – including solid majorities of Republicans and Democrats – said the US and its allies in the NATO should impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine, the poll found. An equally bipartisan 80% of Americans said the United States should stop buying Russian oil.”

These views are fully bipartisan. There was (and, to a lesser extent, still is) some heterodoxy and debate within right-wing media circles, but GOP officials themselves have been 100% pro-Ukraine along with Dems from the start. From a Feb. 23 poll, just over 2 weeks ago: “A majority of Americans oppose a major US role in the ongoing tensions between Ukraine and Russia.” When both parties’ leaders fully unite in messaging with almost all of the US corporate media, it’s potent.

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Update: German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Monday he has no plans to suspend Russian energy imports as the EU’s energy needs currently can’t be secured without them.

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  1. Time to start Digging a hole…now, should it be a physical one…or financial one..???

    If those imbeciles do put up a no fly Zone….? I suspect things will get “BRIGHT”

      1. There appear to be two different planes shown on the video monitor.

        The one seen during the approach looks like an F-14. The one that crashes was Korean War vintage, not just in its design (maybe an Grumman F9F Panther or a McDonnell F2H Banshee), but in its colour scheme. Those planes were navy blue back then, but, by the end of the 1950s, many of the USN’s carrier planes were grey.

        1. That particular clip has been used in several movies.
          Artistic license to steal.
          Perhaps their was more gruesome footage that , out of respect, the director choose not to include.
          Every landing and take off from a carrier is filmed by the Navy, including that recent incident with the F – 35.

          BTW, the pilot that was involved lived to 1995.

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    2. ummm, just curious sda, where are your plaudits for mr Puketin now, like the photo of him shirtless and masciline horseriding? compared to some 1/125 click of a shutter showing them pres oBOMBa reeling back in fear for his life at some kid’s demonstration cant recollect what engendered such a reaction.
      anyway, SDA chose to juxtaposition said images in praise of the tough leader Puketin.
      what say ye now?
      and still waiting on the official hardcore right wing opinion on Elon Musk who praised the trucker’s convoy and GAVE Ukraine access to *his* skynet or whatever AND the workstations to use the access.
      what about Elon the autistic who is MY hero for showing the ENTIRE WORLD what we auties can do when the rest of you GTF out of the way.

          1. I hope the coming nuclear armageddon at least rids us of knuckle dragging illiterate morons like you. What form of grunts and gestures are you using anyway?

    3. a cpl plausible works of fiction regarding how things go south at at accelerating pace:

      ‘the day after’
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQyQ0qaWf4
      apparently the starkness and realism caused Ronnie Raygun to reconsider his somewhat ‘hawkish’ stance and prompted the meetings with gorbachov.

      and the british response ‘threads’
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Srqyd8B9gE

      l believe these are the complete films, sorry abt any yt ads.

      1. apparently the starkness and realism caused Ronnie Raygun to reconsider his somewhat ‘hawkish’ stance and prompted the meetings with gorbachov.

        I’m somewhat skeptical about that. The Soviets were quite paranoid at that time, believing that a NATO exercise that was in progress was a warm-up for WW III. And don’t forget that a few months earlier, that Korean airliner was shot down.

        Remember also that the Kremlin was in disarray. First Brezhnev dies. His successor Andropov doesn’t live long in office. Chernenko, who then took over, was also a sabre rattler and died in harness as well.

        There wasn’t much opportunity, or, for that matter, point dealing with the Soviets when the White House didn’t know who was in control. It was only after the stability brought by Gorbachev that it became worthwhile for Reagan to make overtures.

        I’ve seen The Day After and I thought it was over-sentimentalized anti-American rubbish. Threads, however, was more rational, more in keeping with the British documentary from 20 years earlier, The War Game.

        1. I’ve seen The Day After and I thought it was over-sentimentalized anti-American rubbish

          It’s typical 1980’s anti-nuclear propaganda, funded either directly or indirectly by the Soviet Union.

          Anyone who thinks Reagan, a veteran of the entertainment industry, would be swayed by a slickly produced TV movie is just mythmaking.

          1. When TDA was originally broadcast, I had a choice to watch it or a production of King Lear featuring Sir Lawrence Olivier on CBC.

            I chose the Shakespeare and was quite impressed by it. I saw TDA in a later re-broadcast and it confirmed that my original decision was correct.

          2. Reagan enlisted as a private in the California National Guard in 1935. Long before WW2 started. He became a officer in 1940. Long before US entrance into the war.

            Point is that Reagan’s long pre war, and states side war service had always been made fun of by the little serving left, liberals. The industrial nature of modern war is that the majority of military will not see combat, if you are winning.

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    2. Yep… WEF, Blackrocks, Vanguard, dare I say… “government?”
      It seems that the jingoism is amplified to 11.
      I hate to be proven right sometimes. Especially now, I really wanted to be wrong.

      1. fc, I have said and hoped that a few times. When it is over it will be over for all, there will be no “elite” escaping. Trudeau will fry with the rest.

    4. It’s a war alright but it’s against all mankind

      Ukraine supplies 40% of the worlds grain

      Starvation is their favourite way to Kill all those as in all of us who don’t deserve to be here according to the elites

      https://t.me/iceagefarmer/2629

      1. Loved the cartoon turtle with the loose fitting helmet.
        ” Duck and cower “.

  3. Meaning 74% of Americans are complete and utter fucking idiots. Enforcing a no-fly zone over the Ukraine will trigger an all-out war between Russia and NATO and for what? A corrupt, third-world shithole with no significance whatsoever. I don’t really give a fuck if US cities get nuked over such a moronic move, but sadly, we will suffer from the fallout. Every day it seems my contempt and hatred for western leaders increases.

    1. I just finished watching Idiocracy 2022. It seems that the producers of that movie were off by about 500 years.

    2. The only way to enforce a no fly zone is to shoot Russian airplanes…if NATO does that, Russia will retaliate…and things will get worse fast.

      NATO and the USA are playing with fire.

      The problem is that if they get burned, we get burned too.

    3. A no fly zone will end the Russian invasion in a week or less They will lose a NATO war and they know it

      1. NATO will probably get half involved as they did in Afghanistan…where the conflict lasted two decades…and we know how well that went for the USA and NATO…

      2. “They will lose a NATO war and they know it”

        – Yeah, and so will NATO – and everybody else. A NATO aircraft opening fire on a Russian aircraft is a warlike act. It amounts to a declaration of war – and Vlad will interpret it as such, he’s already said so.

        This has nothing to do with “courage”, or “helping Ukraine” – it’s straight out of international law. You DON’T DO THAT. EVER. And Vlad having blown his conventional army out on Ukraine, will have only one response left to him. And he WILL use it.

        How many billions of lives are you willing to throw-away to confirm the age-old proverb “Dictators can NOT lose face”?

        1. “Dictators can NOT lose face”. As we, Canadians, have recently witnessed. HONK! Honk!

      4. Fuck off and die, you asshatted moron. A no fly zone not only won’t stop the Russian invasion, it’ll turn Europe into a wasteland. You’re the sort of cretin who should have died from the Chinky Coof. Do us a favor and die now.

      5. No it will turn Pootinista invasion of Ukraine into a world war. If it was just a conventional fight over Ukraine then Siberians would be wiped out in short order. But there is a reason why NATO and Soviets never fought a shooting war, and only did proxy wars. Because a shooting war will get nuclear the moment a loosing side feels it can no longer win a shooting war.

      6. Bullshit.

        The ruskies drop back and punt. Missiles don’t give a shit about a no fly zone.

    4. I’m not so sure.

      The other 26 percent were paying for the pampered lifestyles of the 74 percent.

  4. I’m not sure how you can oppose further involvement in the conflict but favor a no fly zone. How does that work? Do they think that the western powers just have to request that the Russians stop flying over Ukraine?

    1. That’s pretty much the level of intellect we have in both our populations and our leadership.

    2. As has been stated elsewhere….when the West wants to topple a regime (Libya, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.) there is no problem.
      We can do it, because we are the good guys.

  5. I simply don’t believe the poll, I suspect around less than 49 percent support the war mongers and the rest realize it’s just another way to enrich the corrupted deep state war machine. We’ve already liberated Europe once, let the EU trash solve the Ukraine problem. I feel for the people of the Ukraine but it has a history of corruption and corruption add in a some more corruption.

    1. We liberated Europe twice.
      Canadians that is.
      We built huge war monuments to our fallen dead.
      All in vain.

      1. If things play out badly here we will trash everything and prove once a d for all that we should have stayed out of those wars too.

    2. I suspect a good half of the Normie population knows they’ve been lied to, high, wide, and handsome since 2019 about the WuFlu, and now they pretty much know they’re being lied to the same way about this.

      The other half, well, you can’t fix stupid.

  6. North Korea starves its population. No problem.
    Africans slaughter each other with machetes. No problem.
    Africans drink Albino blood. No problem.
    Saudi Arabia beheads people in public. No problem.
    Saudi Arabia invades Yemen. No problem.
    Fakestinians bomb Israel. No problem.
    Israelis bomb Syria. No problem.
    Chinese kill Uighurs. No problem.
    the list goes on and on and on.

    Then…
    Russia invades Soros-controlled Ukraine. Time to start WW3, on behalf of Soros and the WEF.
    Just so all you “I stand with the Ukraine” useful idiots know for whom you are cheerleading.

    1. The reasons for the huge attention Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine gets include:
      i) Ukraine is European country, it matters more than e.g. Yemen
      ii) Putin and Russia are evil, and will not stop with Georgia, Crimea, rest of Ukraine.
      iii) Russia has always been evil (“the enemy can come from any direction, but always from the east”)

      The west should have acted earlier, and provided more & better arms to Ukraine. With a neighbor like Russia, they (Ukraine and its supporters) should have been better prepared.

      Nobody in the west wants a WW3, hence the reluctance in sending actual troops. (Putin might not mind a WW3 though. that would keep him in power forever.)

      My prediction is that the war will end relatively soon (a month or so) with Ukraine giving up some territory and with a no-Nato commitment for some years, but with overt/covert security guarantees in place regardless.

      Finally, all the yelling here about Soros, Jews, and UN/WEF is quite ridiculous without any substance to support it, Becomes as intelligent as the Dems screaming about Trump & Russia all the time.

      1. “Putin and Russia are evil”
        Do you listen to yourself sometimes, moron. That’s exactly the sort of thinking that got the Germans all in favor of the Holocaust. What are you? A genocidal fool? Please report to the gas chamber, will ya.

          1. You know Johan, he has a point.
            What about dialogue instead of demonizing a group of people.
            If we humans could put aside our differences there is much we could accomplish as a species.
            Probably could have been exploring the solar system by now.

            United we stand, divided we fall.

          2. How can you have dialogue with people who believe that Pootin is fighting against “globohomo NAZIs”?

      2. “Putin and Russia are evil”

        Yes.

        “Russia has always been evil”

        Certainly.

        “…all the yelling here about Soros, Jews, and UN/WEF is quite ridiculous…”

        Applause. Standing ovation.

    1. The win would be a pyrrhic victory.
      What would we actually win, radioactive rubble and ash.

    2. Do you really believe that our woker-than-woke Chiefs of Staff can win any war? Look at how they did in Afghanistan against goat herds.

        1. @Thomas – “Ukraine needs to hire a bunch of Taliban military advisers”

          Personally I believe that was the NATO/ EU “master-plan” all along. Draw Putin into an Afghanistan situation for years to come, profit and bleed Russia at the same time. Yes at the expense of Ukraine.

          What we don’t know will be the true outcome. No doubt Putin saw the “trap” what we don’t know is if he sprung it on purpose, or if he knows how to get out of it, or is setting his own long term trap by springing this one (?)

        2. That’s just silly. If anything it was NATO advisers who since 2014 turned Ukrainian forces around, from those who run home at the first shot, to those who are bleeding Siberians at every corner.

      2. About-ish rough numbers…

        1979 Soviets captured Kabul with 10 Soviets killed.
        Occupy country

        2003 US takes Baghdad, 20 days, 30 US troops killed.
        Occupy country

        Both leave 9 years later
        Soviets 14,500 killed in occupation.
        US, 4,500.

        Russia is according to it’s stats losing 500 killed a week trying to take Ukraine. 4,900% higher rate killed per week than US in Iraq.

    3. We would.

      Our masters wouldn’t.

      A nuclear exchange will destroy our government and destroy the banking system. If that doesn’t free us, nothing can.

      1. That glow in the dark complexion is very painful, short lived however.

    4. @James – “I know we’d win a war with Russia but my god.”

      If that were true “winning a war”, we could then imagine what a Russian insurgency in Russia would look like. Easier than Afghanistan (?) China & North Korea now on the border.

      The west also forgets that it has left it’s borders wide open for the last 40 years, remember the semi-fictional TV series “The Americans”? I wonder how many Russian & Chinese espionage agents in the US/ Canada/ Europe today are waiting for Moscow to give them the green light. A few train derailments, a few bombs, a few forest fires, a few mass poisonings, and a few other atrocities that we couldn’t imagine as possible.

  8. These media people should be careful in case they get what they want. I cannot imagine anything stupider than a game of chicken with Putin. Over pipelines, for f- sake.

    I mean,there’s a REASON he invaded, right? A really good reason. The kind of reason that would have Canadian elites arming up and looking at invading somebody if it was happening here.

    Because that’s how elites are. You follow the money, you find the reason that the rich oligarch is getting his war on. They’re not normal people.

    This does not -excuse- an invasion, but it does explain it. You want to fix it, you have to address the real reasons and ignore the excuses.

  9. Nice if there was an open ended question about what would the benefit be to the Ukraine and what might Russia do in response?

    Never a thought to consequences.

    Children. The Press is failing and the people are cherishing their infantilization.

  10. The silver lining is – and, yes, I am assuming here – that the missiles are aimed for the city centres. The Dipper voters living in the inner city are going to get it. It won’t be fun in the suburbs but there is a small chance of survival.

    1. I wouldn’t mind so much if Ottawa was targeted, and there’s no reason to believe why it wouldn’t be.

      I just don’t want to be in it when it happens.

      1. @fc – “…..and there’s no reason to believe why it wouldn’t be.”

        Actually, one reason is they leave as much biological weapon in place against western interests by leaving current western governments intact.

        Why physically destroy Canada when you can let the Woke Liberals do it for you. A few thousand here or there under Ottawa restaurant tables and voila the damage is done, infrastructure saved.

        1. It’s rather disheartening to realize that the people who actually was responsible for this carnage are the same people least likely to pay the price for it.

    2. An EMP attack would actually be much worse than an attack on the larger cities.

      1. It would suck to rely on a pacemaker if an EMP was deployed. The rest of us will need to learn how to start a fire and throw a couple of vegans on for supper.

    3. A radioactive atmosphere is not something to wish for. Every rainfall will kill everything.

      1. For a while.
        It’s the nuclear winter from the ash high in the troposphere that’s a killer.
        Little light = less vegetation and ocean life, limited food.
        Means less oxygen too.

        That’s presumably what did in the dinos 65 million years ago.
        Giant ash cloud from the asteroid impact burning large swaths of combustibles.

  12. Polls are designed to shape public opinion, reinforcing the herd mentality. Why do you think that just before voting day, there’ll be a sudden upswing in Liberal support according to the polls? Don’t vote for a loser, vote for the winning team!!!

    My opinion about the Ukraine/Russia/NATO conflict is that it’s being engineered by the US through NATO, using Ukraine to fight a proxy war against Russia and an easy way for the US to test Russian military capabilities. They’ve probably promised Zelensky the moon if he holds out, but he’s going to be left with a destroyed country which the west will be expected to rebuild. But he’s now got more $$$ & armaments than he could ever obtain by joining NATO. The Ukrainian armed forces are now probably better equipped than Canada’s.

    2. C’mon

      Canada has close to 400 aircraft in it’s armaments. About half of them are grounded inoperable so maybe you are right…

  14. Putin’s bunker is built by professionals deep underground and far from any populated area. He can hold out there for years if he has to.

    The doomsday profiteers don’t sell bunkers. They sell overpriced coffins.

    Sorry, ladies and gentlemen. For the first time in your lives—and possibly the last—you’re going to face some actual consequences for your actions. You will finally be relieved of your wealth and power, and in all probability your lives.

    For the first time in our own lives, the rest of us will enjoy something resembling freedom. Even if we wanted to pay taxes and service debts, there will be no functioning governments or banks left to receive tribute.

    I can’t wait.

    1. The Alberta government had a bunker at Penhold. They sold it to a guy who then allegedly received an offer from the Hell’s Angels MC. So the taxpayers bought it back at ten times the original sale price, just to destroy it. As long as we trust the government, we’re screwed big time.

  15. If they have to rely on the media to tell them what a no fly zone is, then obviously the majority who are all for it don’t have a clue what one is.

  16. Funny thing happened a long time ago, the United States sanctioned a little country on the other side of the world because of its aggressive behaviour in trying to impose its will on neighbouring countries in South East Asia. That was in July of 1941 and led to the US involvement of WWII. So if history does repeat itself we have roughly a six month window, perhaps less, to get ready for a conflict that the average Joe on the streets of New York, London, Paris, Rome, Moscow, Kiev, and a hundred other cities want no part in. At the same time the average Joe on those same streets has seen his standard of living evaporate like a morning mist over the last ten or so years. This may end up as the elites have planned a massive confrontation that will change the course of human history and immerse us into what Churchill described as a dark period of preverted science. The propaganda machine is running full tilt to bring this about.

  17. Something I wrote a week ago:
    —
    A nice little conspiracy theory in re Putin v. Zelensky et al

    Here it is March 2nd, 2022 and there is now enough information to speculate about what’s going on in Ukraine, and, more importantly, about what comes next.

    But first, a conspiracy theory: I believe that the generic left’s hatred of all things Russian, largely based on factors like its abandonment of communism, it’s mostly white population, and the reversion to Christianity among much of the population, provided the emotional support and shared “truth” needed for a small number of conspiratorial manipulators to emplace and support a major lie. The lie is that Russians are the enemies of the west in general and America in particular, and what that lie serves is Chinese expansion across what is now Siberia and Kazakhstan.

    In this context what’s going on in the Ukraine should have been a sideshow: just one more round in the endless civil wars and boundary adjustments the area has been heir to for centuries – triggered, in this case, by the opportunities created through western weakness and the expectation that bringing Russia’s energy exports into China’s banking system would provide an unsanctionable market while strengthening that nation’s commitment to peaceful co-existence with Russia.

    It became a world changing event when Russian ground forces were unable to deliver the swift, effective, and low casualty Zelensky decapitation they promised – that changed the Russian calculation and brought the manipulators into the open as everyone from George Soros and Switzerland to Emmanuel Macron and the Canadian Junior Hockey League spontaneously erupted into a well orchestrated chorus of undying support for Ukrainian democracy.

    What we’re going to see next, therefore, is some senior Russian officers coming splat-face to the end of their careers and a slow and grinding halt to the conflict as urgent orders to stand down get ignored and players on both sides feel their way to the resumption of business as usual with just enough shelling and sniping to keep the fight alive for their home audiences.

    As a result the body count will leave the world’s headlines while the left continues its con brio denunciation of Russia at least until Chinese peacekeepers enter first North Korea and then Kazakhstan – at which point Russia won’t have the resources to defend its borders, it will be politically impossible for the west to come to Russia’s aid, and Moscow will have to choose between going nuclear or mounting a desperate rear guard action against overwhelming forces as China takes over everything east of the Urals.

    So what’s east of the Urals to make all this worthwhile? about 12% of the world’s land mass, perhaps 15% of above water accessible natural resources, and hardly any people – enough space, materials, and arable land to take several hundred million Chinese migrants while making China independent of the western world for food, energy, and metals.
    —

    1. That’s only if the Chinese are in a hurry. If they wait a few years, with Russia’s birthrate and alcoholism among their men reducing their life expectancy drastically, they can just move into Siberia, have their 30 million young men marry old Russian women. Either way, the Chinese are figuring on running things in the future. I think Mark Steyn nailed all this twenty years ago.

      1. I think it was predicted a lot earlier than that.
        Watch the old movie Blade Runner from the early 1980’s and you will see a Chinese influence in Los Angeles of the future.
        Other movies touched on it like A Space Odyssey 2010.

        1. In the original novel of 2010, an excerpt of which was published in Playboy (which was the reason I bought that particular issue), there was a Chinese expedition to Jupiter.

          Much of the movie, however, was focused on the pre-Gorbachev Cold War.

        2. The Firefly/Serenity universe is centered around the idea that in the future the two dominant languages will be Chinese and English….

    1. I sincerely doubt a wider European war will follow – if only because Europeans have spent a long time hiding under their beds in fear of the Russian Bear, and their leaders know only-too-well how utterly they’ve neglected their own armed forces while buying votes, chasing greeeen fairytales and happily sheltering under the U.S. nuclear umbrella – another thing Trump got right.

      – Although I admit that I would enjoy a hearty gut-laff if Georgia and Moldova decided to take advantage of the Russian army being busy elsewhere at the moment, and reoccupied Abkhazia, Ossetia and Transnistria…

      1. That would indeed by spectacular if Georgia and Moldova (that just applied for EU membership BTW) reclaimed their territory (with clandestine NATO help if needed). And I think that is the way to go, NATO should be supporting independence movements all around russia and actively undermining russian interests around the globe while at it. Help Ukraine as much as possible while not get directly involved. Make occupation of any part of Ukraine an extremely expensive adventure not worth the effort. Bankrupt russia, make it collapse upon itself. There is a real opportunity here if it is played right. And I agree with your other post above, NATO cannot listen to sabre rattling idiots who think Pootin would hesitate to retaliate if NATO started shooting the Siberians.

        1. So, you’re all in for the New World Order.
          Man, you are one fucked up individual.

  19. I’m thinking poutin is not going to be around much longer.

    I don’t know how they will get him but I don’t think it will be an ‘inside’ job. The boys around him know that when he goes down so do they. Maybe a bin Laden type of exit?

    There will be a lot of bankers and lawyers looking to be executors of the will.

  21. A no fly zone would have been a good idea prior to the invasion, but no longer. Appeasing tyrants only leads to higher costs and war.
    The price of even containing them goes up with every passing pass. Sanctions after the fact are another example of decision lag bungling.
    Stinger missiles not delivered for weeks because of a three screw “classified” attachment. We fly, you die is a more worthy air doctrine.
    Time to employ stealth resources? But that will have to wait until after the Zelensky/Putin What No NATO square dance of irrelevancy.

    Tulsi Gabbard nailed it last night. DeMarxists love much higher gas prices, want a Ukraine/Russia war, but most of all they want a bloody insurgency to punish Putin while keeping their radical coalitions in line, so instead of more oil, they push wind turbines and solar.

    Ridiculous on its (false) face; that’s how hobgoblins work, their urge to rule causing ignorant and irrational fears, like Putin’s nukes scare.

    Putin, OTOH, wants Ukraine’s rich bounty of minerals and agriculture, to cancel out sanctions, and wants to move the Ukrainian people out of their homeland, for instance refugees never returning should he prevail, the rest killed where they stand, at least a million.

    The wild card will be the insurgency that could prevent Putin from achieving his aims, but a million dead Ukrainians is just a statistic.

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