Diplomacy Watch: Did Boris Johnson help stop a peace deal in Ukraine?
Russia and Ukraine may have agreed on a tentative deal to end the war in April, according to a recent piece in Foreign Affairs.
“Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement,” wrote Fiona Hill and Angela Stent. “Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.”
The news highlights the impact of former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s efforts to stop negotiations, as journalist Branko Marcetic noted on Twitter. The decision to scuttle the deal coincided with Johnson’s April visit to Kyiv, during which he reportedly urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to break off talks with Russia for two key reasons: Putin cannot be negotiated with, and the West isn’t ready for the war to end.
Don’t know if Boris had anything to do with it, but any such deal would spell suicide for Ukraine. Siberians would simply regroup and attack again. Ukraine needs to join NATO and Pootinistan needs to collapse.
Ukraine is dead or not, based upon the Russians alone. Ukraine join NATO? You mean the US has to agree to defend it? NATO minus the US is a bunch of woke bureaucrats living large, organizing a force with tiny militaries and little interoperability. I am an American, and no thanks. Russia seems to be doing rather well, it is the west that should worry, all their sanctions and arms shipments have have made the fall of the US dollar as global reserve currency inevitable, and enriched the corrupt players in Ukraine, who could make Russian oligarchs blush.
^^^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDmGhethEoQ
And that is that. Russia is dying, russia will collapse, that is inevitable by now. Russian demographics are inescapable. Russia ought to be be helped to eliminate itself. Ukraine will probably survive this. No point in arguing details as you’re either living in an alternate universe or are Pootin’s bot.
Sorry no one’s bot, Putin’s or otherwise. I simply don’t have a dog in this fight, and so am not blinded by the ethnic hate which reduces you to an infant.
Nah, you can’t have it both ways. You cannot claim it isn’t your fight while parroting Pootin. And that is how it has been since the end of Cold War. Scratch a NATO disbander, scratch an isolationist and you get and schill for the enemy power. Except for one unique alternative. Those are hyperpartisans that will ally with anyone to defeat the other party. For them enemy domestic is always worse than enemy foreign.
It’s interesting how much you sound like American isolationists prior to both World Wars.
Both times, the aggressive parties went to war in the belief that the West had no stomach for a fight, so there was no downside to trying to gobble up their neighbours.
Back then it was called “Appeasement”, and if Boris argued that the Russians could not be trusted, Boris was undoubtedly correct. This is the same Russia that twice agreed tgat Ukraine was an independent, sovereign nation with the Right to negotiate its own foreign policy and treaty relationships.
This is what is happening to the Ukrainian military:
https://southfront.org/in-video-21-destroyed-ukrainian-positions-near-peski/
Ever notice stuff like this comes out of the woodwork when Ukraine is about to get a large arms shipment or is making tactical gains?
No Allan, it has never been hidden, simply ignored. Those who have been watching the ball know where it is.
BTW Isn’t the secret to the shell game that there is no pea under any of the cups until the location of the pea is revealed?
Good work by Boris.
Yes. nevber reallyt understood his motive for this; I can only assume a cynical Wag the Bulldog play.
As said before, if Boris said that the Russians cannot be trusted, then Boris was correct.
This is the same Russia that accepted Ukraine’s right to exist, it’s boundaries, and its right as a sovereign nation to sign whatever treaties is wanted.
It seems to me that the primary reason for giving Russia a free pass to invade a peaceful neighbour is that it annoys Biden, et al.
Yes, those guarantees worked out great regarding the surrender of the nuclear weapons left in Ukraine when the USSR dissolved
Yep – there’s no problem. Russia and the US agreed to both maintain Ukrainian independence over 20 years ago.
The US agreed to a lot of things with th ex USSR that they then went ahead and reneged upon. Like not moving NATO to Russia’s borders.
Never happened.
Gorbachev said so himself.
“One of the key issues that has arisen in connection with the events in Ukraine is NATO expansion into the East. Do you get the feeling that your Western partners lied to you when they were developing their future plans in Eastern Europe? Why didn’t you insist that the promises made to you – particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s….
https://www.rbth.com/international/2014/10/16/mikhail_gorbachev_i_am_against_all_walls_40673.html
Helps to actually read the article, Paul:
“The decision for the U.S. and its allies to expand NATO into the east was decisively made in 1993. I called this a big mistake from the very beginning. It was definitely a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made to us in 1990.”
The policy of the US administration at the time of the fall of the Berlin Wall was that moving NATO to the East, even just inside the boundaries of a reunified Germany, was a provocation to be avoided. Baker’s quote makes it clear. No one imagined a vastly weakened Russia divested of the Warsaw Pack and the other states of the Soviet Union. It wasn’t discussed.
More to the point Eisenhower said back in 1951: “If in 10 years, all American troops stationed in Europe for national defense purposes have not been returned to the United States, then this whole project [NATO] will have failed.” The Cold War made that impossible but when it ended so did any legitimate reason for a NATO dominated by American arms to exist.
Never was a better opportunity for peace squandered than that given to us in 1991 when the Soviet Union dissolved. NATO should be in our history books and no where else by now.
It’s good to see this coming out in more fora, but this was understood to have happened, by me, at the time. Maybe I’m too smart for my pants.
No one gives a shyte about Ukraine other than utterly corrupt western politicians and Poles who are, by and large, sociopaths who’ve delighted in blaming Germans for their own genocidal anti-semitism.
Poles. Baltics. Finns. Swedes. Swiss. UK. US.
That’s enough.
But Putin has a bit of Belarus.
“Poles. Baltics. Finns. Swedes. Swiss. UK. US.”
Swiss?
Also Czechs, Slovaks, Croats, Romanians, Bulgarians, Norwegians, Georgians, South Koreans, Japanese. Aas far as NATO west of Oder, they are refusing to accept the reality. They will sooner or later.
After Ukraine beat back corrupt, crappy, World’s 2nd Largest Army.
But all those were just a feint to within 15 miles of Kyiv, for the REAL OFFENSIVE in the east. Tricky that Russian General Staff. Yessum.
But that was back then. Before hundreds of 155mm NATO guns, half a million rounds( I didn’t know that US Army found that a 155mm strike within 90 feet can penetrate a MBT.), hundreds of donated T-72, and hundreds of captured. More, better tanks than when they started.
Before the flagship Moscova, bristling with air defense was missile sunk.
Before HIMARS started wiping out command centers, ammo dumps,pushing S-300/400 back into Russia. Before still flying Ukraine jets hunting shorter range with US HAARM missiles. The set traps where the drones get the Russian radars to power on and 30-40 miles behind them UAF fire the radar missiles.
So now that Turk drones can safely look 20-30klm into Russian lines and illuminate their tanks in minutes to good gun batterys. It’s all pretty networked in now. The 10-20klm if the forward edge of the battle field is a Ukrainian free fire zone. Very corrosive. Nothing the Russians can do except take it.
6 months from Russians 15 miles from Kyiv to now the first Ukrainian offensive in 600 years.
Not good trend lines.
( What happened to the Syrian volunteers for Putin? Waiting for winter? What about the million Norks?
Poo Xi and Putin had a lip lock Best Loyal Friends Forever meeting. But since then, no write, no call, not even a drone.)
Europe has in storage enough gas until end of February. Oil and coal are fine. They’ll make it through the winter. This isn’t 1914, or 1939. Not even the 1945-46 winter of a destroyed Europe .
Putin’s Army is slowly becoming Saddam’s corrupt, incompetent, poor slobs dying to the Ukrainian modeled Swartzkoph. And there’s nothing Putin can do about it.
Sounds great ….. now let’s talk nukes?
Or does that fit in anyone’s equation anymore?
Go on. ….. I’d like to hear the brilliant scenario.
Ok, let’s talk nukes.
Nukes are the reason why Putin is lying when he claims to view NATO as a threat. Because he has them and none of the major players in NATO are going to risk starting awar at a level tgat might see their capitals toasted.
Nor – if you think he is remotely rational – is Putin going to escalate in a way that will cost him every major city and 90% of his industrial capacity.
Some of us lived through the Cold War and MAD. The “mutual “ in MAD was what prevented WW3, when tensions were far higher than Putin likes to pretend that they are now.
The other question is, if you are not prepared to stop Putin now – when all it takes is adequately supporting Ukraine while they do all the fighting – then when ARE you going to do it? If you whimp-out, every time that he rattles his rockets, you may as well just let him take over the world, because there is no reason for him to stop before he is too powerful to be stopped without WW3.
Takes over the world ?
Isn’t that being done already ?
By whom for sure it’s a toss up.
But I don’t see Russia taking over the world. I see less than stellar people, freedom wise trying to make it all the same.
So……. we may be at a impasse.
70% of white ethnic Russians live in two cities. Moscow and St. Pete.
I’ve often said, another day another Russian nuke threat.
24/7 from the near start of the war. 2 B-52’s circle over Switzerland, Germany. The rest of the accompanying support package including tankers, F-22’s, 35’s are stationed near the Russian border.
That all has been plainly made clear to the Russians.
They know it. We know they know it. I’m sure they’ve been directly told so.
Russian thugs respect killers, and despise weakness.
April,May ,June,July ,August and now September..
“We will fight those evil Russians to the last Ukrainian”.
So how much does Boris Baby profit from prolonging this conflict?
What would have been Britain’s Best Interests in encouraging Russia to seize more territory and shell ever more Ukrainians?
What if Putin told the truth?
“These are Russia’s interests in this area ,as I see them”..?
Yet what nation is going to tolerate their neighbour shelling and murdering the citizens of breakaway provinces,right on their border?
Pretty hard to have “Business as usual” with a small war going on..Which threatens the neighbouring countries..
If Mexico started treating their expatriate American Citizens the same way,would Washington sit on the sidelines?
Seems to me,right off the bat,somebody wanted a whole bunch of Ukrainians dead.
A select group of Ukrainians?
Or just a general cull of the population?
After all,all the same assholes who have driven the Jonestown Jab against their own citizens,immediately locked step with “The Ukraine” .
They believe in culling entire populations.
And by the company you keep we can know something of you..
There has been a certain odour to this whole “war” right from the start.
Are the EU and Russia working together?
To loot the resources of of the Ukraine as they carve it into tiny pieces?
Or are all our so called leaders the mindless emoting idiots they act as?
Are we being sucked into Nuclear War,by the acts of Fools and Bandits?
“If Mexico started treating their expatriate American Citizens the same way,would Washington sit on the sidelines?”
US did not occupy Mexico.
US did not ethnically cleanse parts of Mexico.
US is not responsible for multiple Mexican famines that killed millions.
US did not send millions of Mexicans to gulags.
US is not trying to erase all sense of Mexican nationhood, again.
Also, American expats in Mexico do not celebrate multiple genocides perpetrated against Mexicans by US.
“To the last Ukrainian…..”
Yeah, yeah.
Tell us exactly how Boris can and has forced the Ukrainians to keep fighting.
Are you trying to tell us that the British Army is lined up ready to shoot the Ukrainians if they try to retreat or desert?
Every time I see that level of fallacy, I know that you don’t really have an argument.
All Boris can do is offer the level of logistical support that will enable the Ukrainians to keep fighting IF THEY WANT TO. As long as you keep up the conspiracy-theory that the Ukrainians can’t think and don’t want a say in the future of their own country, your opinions will be not worth respecting.
The other irony is in listening to someone asking whether Putin meant what he said, while completely ignoring the things that Putin has said about regretting the fall of the totalitarian Soviet empire and rebuilding some mix of the Soviet and Russian Imperial power-base.
Newz:
may have
appeared to have
reportedly urged
The apparent revelation
China is winning the war.
Far from it. US cannot tackle Chicoms with riussia lurking around on the second front. Ceteris paribus, collapsing Pootinistan now is a sound strategy for US vis a vis Chicoms.
It’s certainly convenient that Boris Johnson is a lame-duck, dead-man-walking. The basis for future excuses and explanations needs to start somewhere. U.S. involvement? Biden involvement? Nothing to see here! Hand-wave, hand-wave.
Yes, Bojo was the messanger
The Ukrainians tried to attack the IAEA inspectors when they were there.
The Russians defended them.
Suuure, also Poles attacked the Gliwice radio station….
The UN has publicly thanked the Russians for defending the inspectors.
Its all over the internet.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=un+thanks+russia+for+iaea
So? They play politics and are corrupt. Siberians shelled that plant and also are using it as a staging area for their forces.
BTW most of winds in that area blow south and east.
Wow, you sure changed your tune from “never happed” to “its a good thing.”
I guess that’s what happens when you get your news from Reddit.
Russia has occupied the plant for months, almost since the beginning of the war. The only people shelling it have been the Ukes, and the Ukes attacked it while the inspectors were there, to boot.
I haven’t. By “they” I meant UN. It should have been obvious to those without limitations. Russians are directly responsible for the fake attack.
The UN comfirmed these events.
…the West isn’t ready for the war to end
There’s graft to be had! There’s westerners to freeze and starve! We’re not done yet, so you keep at it.
We’re all just cannon fodder.
Of course the resident Davos bot dominates the comments with nothing new at all to offer. You call this a civilized conversation? It’s nothing more than a shouting match of WEF slogans. At least the parody account offered some level of intelligence and sophistication pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the corporate media parrots. Still way over all your heads.
some in here are just figuring out that the COLON is an emotional idiot that doesn’t do logical thinking
Russia is SO winning…
Amount of Ukraine captured by Russia from June 2 to September 2, 2022: 612 km2
Remaining area of Ukraine left to capture: 481,063 km2
Time at current speed: 786 months or 196.5 years
WINNING.
Just like Charlie Sheen.
https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1566057793932632067
The important words in that article are “may”, “might have” and “tentative”.
You have to be exceptionally naive or dishonest to argue that negotiations about a hypothetical framework, carried out by people who do not have the power to make agreements on behalf of their nations ….. are anything close to a done deal.
Negotiations always depend on forecasts of the future. The positions of either side will depend on how the war in progressing, what each side believes it can achieve, and what it expects the cost to be. That can change from day-to-day , depending on how the military situation is developing and how supply, logistics and morale vary.
Anything else is unrealistic click-bait.