Water, Water Everywhere…

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Thread: The Noor solar power plant in Morocco, largest is Africa, uses 2.5-3 million m³ of water/yr.

30 Replies to “Water, Water Everywhere…”

  2. Renewable sources of energy are mostly used to virtue signal by the rich and powerful. These projects are only feasible thanks to massive government subsidies and are often owned by contributors to the campaigns of those politicians. They are a way to launder government money giving some of it back to the politicians. The project owners and builders get rich off these tax dollars as does the politicians. When they are criticized the person pointing this out is said to be destroying the planet.

    1. So called “renewables” aren’t, especially when they need to be backed up by reliable power… and if you decide to use batteries, it makes the case even worse.

      All renewables should be put on their own separate grid, any anyone who wants to use it, can contract for that power… and governments who are forcing it on us should use it only

      1. The four steps to reliable Renewable Power*:

        1) Build your renewable power sources; remember that wind turbines are twice as efficient at converting solar power to electricity as solar cells (and can generate electricity at night) but are much more expensive to dispose-of at the end of their economic life.
        2) Build your 100% backup capacity, for when the sun ain’t shinin’ and the wind ain’t blowin’.
        3) If you desire some major savings in the process, skip step (1).
        4) Remember that it takes seven renewable-energy employees for the same amount of electricity as one fossil-fuel employee provides – an additional incentive for step (3).

        (* – and remember, despite Canada getting ~80% of its electricity thus, hydro power is not considered by the UN I.P.C.C. to be a “renewable power source”. Why not? – ask them, I have no idea…)

    1. Ok keyboard warrior. You raise a good point.

      Morocco’s primary energy consumption was 265 Terrawatt-hours in 2021. The breakdown…

      152 TW of oil (57%)
      85 TW of coal (32%)
      8 TW of gas (3%)
      ————————– 92% fossil fuel
      13 TW of wind
      5 TW of solar
      2 TW of hydro
      ————————— 8% renewable

      The only real trend over the past 10-15 years is the increasing use of coal. Morocco plans to be 50% renewable by 2030.

      1. The 8% is not renewable, it requires constant maintenance and manufacturing of replacements, all which requires “fossil” fuels.

      1. Unicorn farts are pretty powerful.

        If only our ‘expert leaders’ had allowed us to be transcontinental Rainbows we could ship the farts from the Unicorn Fields where the gas is produced into homes and businesses of our cities.

        Sigh.

  4. Environ MENTAL.
    The destruction wrought by these parasites,in the guise of curing a nonproblem..remains the best reason for Banishment from civil society or a sentence of death..

    They hate us and intend to destroy us.
    By their actions we know them.
    Their words are pretty noise,sweet lies demonstrating their malice.
    Gang Green is a protected branch of our Parasitic Overload.
    Know your enemy.
    They and their enablers make no secret of who they are.

  5. Doesn’t Gang Green complain about the amount of water used for drilling & fracking?

    Silly me. Hypocrisy: a feature, not a big.

    It would be interesting to see a comparison of this project’s lifetime energy output vs water used to, say, the Bakken shale lifetime energy output vs water used. I’ve tried to find some of the numbers used, but it’s damnably difficult to find some of the info on solar. The main stickler is actual output of this solar farm. They bury it deep.

    1. “Morocco has an average solar potential of 5 kilowatt hours (kWh) per square meter per day, although this varies geographically. Total installed capacity from solar energy currently stands at 831 MW.”

      Morocco in the desert averages 13 hours of sunlight per day.
      So nameplate capacity is 831 MW, and the type of plant they are using has a stated efficiency of between 23 to 35%, and a real world efficiency of between 7 and 20%.

      Also, the above amount of water used only includes cleaning the panels, and likely doesn’t include cooling costs

      1. Hey, JD.

        Thx for the numbers. I’ll see if that’s enough for my exercise.

        I thought about the cooling system. That may be just a one-time deal whereby they simply recirculate in & out of the storage tanks.

      2. And the panels output will drop every year until they provide no power whatsoever.
        “the degredation of the PV panel is increased in hot climate than the cold climate , from the experimental investigation we observed the degredation of the final energy yield decrease about 10% in compare with the newesst PV panel after 9 years of operation (the type of the PV panel is HIT PV Solar panel) and our climate is very hot in summer since the temperature of the PV panel reach about 90C in midnoon of the days of july and august.”

        From here -https://www.researchgate.net/post/Decrease_of_efficiency_of_photovoltaic_panels_over_time
        The comment was made by Naseer K Kasim, here’s his profile https://typeset.io/authors/naseer-k-kasim-417njrut62

  7. Wind power and solar will soon be gone as more energy is required to make them than they generate. They are not “green”, they are destructive to the environment and industry. The fantasy that CO2 is a climate driver and can be mitigated by wind and solar power is a bigger fraud than covid. I have said this a thousand times if I said it once. Wind turbines and solar panels cannot be made without the massive use of “fossil” fuels, mining, smelting, chemical processes, it is beyond sensible that anyone believes that this is a valid idea.

    1. If photovoltaics produced more energy over their useful lifetime than it took to make them, then the semiconductor plants which make them would be powered by solar panels.

  8. At least when they are built in the desert, when they are buried in a few years, there won’t be much leachate of toxic metals due to low precipitation. “Always look on the bright side of life, do-do, do, do-do-do-do-do……”

  11. Perhaps there will be an unexpected payoff from all this?
    After all the solar panels have worn out and been discarded, the power generation scheme will have failed.
    However, there will have been built a large water supply infrastructure that can supply parched populations.

    1. That tractor is spraying water? Really? Where’s the water truck? The water tank? The water supply? That sure looks like compressed air just blowing the dust around. In which case … that dust blower would have to be running 24/7 clearing the dust from the next row that just got re-dusted.

      To say the eco-frauds didn’t think this desert installation through … would be an understatement of a juvenile level.

      PS … look at the panels ahead of the tractor … it looks like 2” of solid dust caked on the panels … causing them to produce 0.00 kw. And the adjacent rows are filthy with varying levels of dust … causing them to function at no more than 50% by the look of it. What a JOKE … and utter waste of money and human effort.

      Behold the “new” green jobs … thousands of slave Uyghurs with brooms.

      1. Same thing happens in Cali and Arizona.

        Ever notice there’s ZERO solar panels on houses in Phoenix? This is one of the big reasons why. One good dust storm and your power drops to nothing until you go up on the roof and sweep it all off. There’s more than one dust storm a year too.

        Another reason you never hear about is scratching. Sand is as hard as glass. (It’s the same stuff, for the cranialy insufficient Lefties lurking here.) The glass on the solar panels gets destroyed just by cleaning the sand off. Opacity increases, power generation decreases. Then you get the fun of replacing the glass every ten years or so. Plastic lasts about two years, maybe three.

  14. An Olympic swimming pool holds 2500000 liters, or 2500 m^3, so that’s 10 thousand swimming pools.

  15. So massive amounts of water can be wasted to be rinse useless solar panels. Yet, throw one bucket of water on your car and get fined for wasting water.
    To a lib-tard that makes perfect sense.

    1. “To a lib-tard that makes perfect sense.”

      – Of course it does! HE is washing “vital-to-save-the-earth” solar panels, YOU are washing a “probably-fossil-fuel-powered” car. NOTHING he does is EVER wrong, NOTHING you do is EVER right…

  16. In Alberta they think that snow covered solar panels pumping out juice at 6% of capacity on a sunny winter day is the answer to all our electrical needs. Goes to show, there is no shortage of stupid people anywhere you stick a pin in a map.

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