So the federal government has been pushing for an “Atlantic Loop” that would tie in all of Eastern Canada to massive hydro electric generating capacity in Quebec and Labrador. Think Churchill Falls, Muskrat Falls. Newfoundland has already built the connection between Labrador and the Rock. But the idea was to build undersea connections from the Rock to Nova Scotia. The idea was to get rid of remaining coal-fired power generation. Well, that fell apart in recent days. This Canadian Press story might talk about a “modified loop,” but it is really a collapse of the original idea. “Too expensive.” But if this is too expensive, how are we in Saskatchewan supposed to get rid of our coal and natural gas?
NS is abuzz with news that the Conservatives want to build a big arse wind turbine farm beside Sable Island will they address the damage said turbines will do to marine life or the horses protected on said Island? It is one green scam after another, and they make us pay for it.
Here in Alberta we have the most wind generation in Canada. We also have the largest cattle herd in the country (and quite a few horses). Wind turbines are located on pasture land everywhere. Cows and horses grazing beneath don’t seem to notice them any more than they do traffic on the highway. Don’t get me wrong I hate the wind and solar scam.
Can’t tell by your post!
Are they grazing between the solar panels also?
I wonder if the cattle notice the several hundred dead bird carcasses each one of those wind turbines create every year.
Most environmentalists tend to look the other way.
Should at least, suck the juices from the trees and make some profitable products…nope not in any type of planning…
As far as our politicians are concerned, trees don’t reseed and fish never spawn, animals can’t reproduce either.
Everything is endangered and never reproduces.
…how are we in Saskatchewan supposed to get rid of our coal and natural gas?
You know what they are planning for us. The answer will make you free.
Arbeit macht frei
A good read on this topic is Dr. Patrick Moore’s book “Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom”!
It explains the benefits of fossil fuels and coal! As I have said about 3 times Germany is back to burning
” Clean Coal” !
The Atlantic Loop plan was always doomed from the start. Submarine transmission lines are hideously expensive and always have been. Just the short link across the straits of Belleisle was going to cost billions let alone the massive link between Avalon and Nova Scotia. But even as it is, Rabson shows how little she knows about electricity generation.
“Nova Scotia expects to be able to wean itself off coal by building out new renewable power, including offshore wind power.”
Wind? Hardly. Nova Scotia already has the most expensive power in Canada. Relying on wind will simply drive up the need for coal or LNG. The only real zero carbon solution for Nova Scotia is to import more nuclear generation from New Brunswick.
Cape Breton has coal, build more coal fired generation. Scrub the stacks and carry on. Stupid people will kill us. Those who wish to freeze to death may do so.
Cape Breton’s coal is the same as that of New Brunwick. It’s highly dangerous to mine because it’s riddled with gas pockets. Underground gas fires and explosions were what caused all three Springhill Nova Scotia mining disasters. The hazards of Atlantic Canada coal mining is why it’s cheaper and safer to import about one million tonnes of coal from offshore by ship than it is to provide local mined coal from New Brunswick or any of the rest. It’s why New Brunswick never provided a transport system for its own domestic coal.
Scrubbing the stacks for coal loaded with sulfur is the least of the problems with Atlantic Canada coal.
Would it be possible to extract coalbed methane by horizontal drilling in preparation to mine the coal? Or is there not enough gas and in unpredictably isolated pockets for that to be feasible?
Oh never mind, coal’s day has passed. It won’t be mined again in the Maritimes for at least 80 years until all the climate crazies have finally left us.
The stuff was mined for decades. It was used to heat the homes in CB and at the steel plant during and after the war. Get over yourself.
New Brunswick imports so-called green hydro electricity from Quebec to meet its legislated “renewable” targets for electricity. It doesn’t have any surplus to export to NS. The intended to be closed coal plant in Belledune represents about 19% of electricity generation in NB. Hydro-Quebec is running out of power to export, so guess what province will be served first. Ergo, I’m planning to install a backup propane generator for my house when the inevitable planned outages i.e. rationing begins in a few years.
This is why NB is part of the four-province coalition to build new nuclear power. They know all your caveats here. They know all about the declining supply from Hydro-Quebec. That’s why one short term option will be to burn gas imported to Canaport. The other option will be retaining Belledune until new gas-fired and nuclear power supply is available.
I expect it will be a frosty Friday in hell if/when Newfoundland cooperates with Quebec in another hydro electric project.
I think you may be underestimating the stupidity/greed of newfoundlands ruling class.
The Churchill falls agreement, where Quebec got cheap power with no inflation increase, runs out about 2035 and it would be in Newfie interest to have a bypass route so they could sell power without Quebec holding them up to ransom. A fed government predisposed in Quebec’s favour may attempt to kill that side of the loop to maintain Quebec’s bargaining position. It was PM Harper who assisted the Muskrat Falls project with its loop through Newfie and to NS and it is that piece that is threatened.
The project dies from the sheer enormous cost of submarine transmission, let alone the giant maintenance costs that come with it.
And you have the price and contract duration for Churchill Falls wrong. The Churchill Falls agreement provided for a cost of electricity of 3 mills (3/10ths of a cent) per kWh. The term of the contract was for 40 years from 1969. After that, the contract was automatically renewable for payment to Newfoundland of 2 mills/kWh.
The contract has twice been litigated in court, and both times Newfoundland lost. You may well observe that Hydro-Quebec is paying pennies for the value of the electricity produced. That’s because Hydro-Quebec absorbed a large portion of the construction cost for which Newfoundland was unable to afford. Long story short: Joey Smallwood was bad at bargaining. He bungled the 1949 Confederation Agreement, he bungled the TransCanada construction, and he bungled the Churchill Falls purchase agreement.
Just remember for every kilowatt hour of solar/wind power you create you have to create the equivalent in backup – for when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow – which is about 1/3 of the time. It’s only a problem when it’s coldest in the dead of winter or in summer heat waves
Maritimers may be dumb enough to buy into Liberal Welfare World(the rest of Canada is catching up) but they are not dumb enough to:
a. Depend on Quebec for anything let alone your heat and power.
b. Get roped into paying for the latest Liberal Newfieboondoggle.
Having said that, finding anything closer to resembling the truth in the Maritime Media (way to go faux con Postmedia), is like finding an honest Liberal, a real Conservative or a billion $ under your bed .
Just doesn’t happen.
Some background.
The Maritimes, also called the Maritime provinces, is a region of Eastern Canada consisting of three provinces: New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island.
Atlantic Canada, also called the Atlantic provinces, is the region of Eastern Canada comprising the provinces located on the Atlantic coast, excluding Quebec. The four provinces are New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island.
“Muskrat Falls was billed as a strategy to meet the electricity needs of the province of Newfoundland and Labrador with environmental friendly, stable and competitively priced power.
More than six years after it was sanctioned, however, the focus now is trying to complete the project without inflicting any more pain on the province.
It’s billions over budget, years behind schedule, and the subject of an ongoing commission of inquiry to determine why.
So why did things go so horribly wrong?”
Rely on Quebec? Not a frikkin chance.
“The outages are also affecting more people — 8.2 million in 2021 — and lasting longer. The average outage duration is now around four hours, an increase of 63 per cent since 2012, and well above the North American average.
Equipment failures are becoming more often to blame for outages.
Leclerc found that the situation is likely to become more difficult for Hydro-Québec in the coming years. A significant percentage of the utility’s equipment, including power poles, is due for an upgrade.”
I don’t care what they try to do …. there will never be enough electricity to power the millions of EVs that are alleged to be on the road over the next decade or so.
Meanwhile prepare for ever-rising electricity cost whilst enjoying brown-outs and black-outs.
Homes in Canada with electric heat are going to be in mortal danger come winter.
Watch the death count this winter in Britain and the EU. They are gonna die in the dark freeze They do not have a good back up system for when the power goes out .. and I think they have already deforested their countries …. so no soup for you.
Spent a month in NS after the last rain storm. Shorts and tee shirt weather everyday. Early am a light jacket. I am so tired of idiots and morons. Look around you, you dummies.
I have a solution. Yep, we need to, and must, get rid of Coal, Oil, Natural gas etc. However, as long as it’s available to access, it will be a threat to us all. The only way we can be assured it’s no longer a threat is to literally get rid of it all.
I propose we use it all up!
It might take a thousand years to get it done, but we current placeholders on this planet will just have to knuckle down and agree to suffer for the good of the future generations to come, that we will accept the suffering of having to dispose of this energy abomination by increasing our carbon footprint!
Soooo, lets build mansions with AC and electric heat, gas guzzling V8 1000 horsepower cars and giant diesel trucks and trains!!! Burn it all, we must sacrifice ourselves for the good of our future offspring.
Viola, the future will be wonderful, and our future generations will venerate us with thoughts and prayers!
But if this is too expensive, how are we in Saskatchewan supposed to get rid of our coal and natural gas?
It’s not too expensive per se. Any project east of Ontario is supposed to cost a lot of money. Alberta and Saskatchewan will have to figure out how to pay for it.
“But if this is too expensive, how are we in Saskatchewan supposed to get rid of our coal and natural gas?”
Yes i know you are using sarcasm.
Let me help answer that question.
This is Can Ahh Duh.
All natural resource that are useful and beneficial to humanity shall not be sold by their owners,
instead you must gift these resources,which it is dooming the planet if you exploit them, to your friendly neighbourhood Liberano.
Who will sell them and keep the money..
Because they know you are too stupid to be allowed independence and wealth.
Your friendly neighbourhood Liberano,will also sell you indulgence certificate absolving you of all guilt,for them selling your property..
And if you have no friendly neighbourhood Liberano,we will fly some in from Ottawa to “help”.
I trust this explanation helps.
Once Ottawa steals all your property,getting rid of it is no longer a problem.